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View Poll Results: to shift or not to shift........
shift and ride it out 4 22.22%
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Old 08-11-2008, 07:56 PM   #1
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ok,here is the thing,
i've taken the racing school with two different instructors,ty and larry.
i even listened as one of their "assistants" said if you were shifting in a turn,it was because your gearing was just too far off .
one says dont shift in the turn and the other says shift right in the middle.
i'm sure it works for them but which do you do?
i tipycally get in the that section in 2nd gear and wind it to the moon til i exit tombstone .
jump into third and fourth.
down two into the rattle snake..

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Old 08-11-2008, 08:23 PM   #2
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talking about the uphill left hander that opens up near the end?
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Old 08-11-2008, 08:25 PM   #3
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Id say go ahead and shift up right before the turn...
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Old 08-11-2008, 08:30 PM   #4
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This is pretty subjective as it could change with gearing, engine size etc. I personally run second I think all and shift driving up the hill, whereas I also know guys that run third and are just in the gas earlier than myself. Different gearing, different style, figure out what works best for you and do that!
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i've rode 3rd from the exit of little bend to the exit of tombstone and that was not bad but feel more compfy down-shifting into buzzards neck....
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Old 08-11-2008, 08:33 PM   #6
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This is pretty subjective as it could change with gearing, engine size etc. I personally run second I think all and shift driving up the hill, whereas I also know guys that run third and are just in the gas earlier than myself. Different gearing, different style, figure out what works best for you and do that!

what gearing are you running?
i think we ride pretty much the same bike...
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At Cresson I run 14t front, and a 45t rear.
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As mentioned, it's subjective. Shifting in a corner is not the best idea out there, but Ty and Larry are on a much different level than most track day goers and novice racers. Ty and Larry may be shifting there, but they're also carrying a lot more speed in that turn than 50% of the folks out there too!

There's nothing "wrong" with shifting there, but to me, it's not the best way to get through that corner.

When I ride my GSXR there, I shift on the way out of the wagon wheel (on the way up the hill), when I'm on our endurance bike (SV), it's the same deal but a little later on the way up the hill.
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Impossible to answer without very specific and tangible information about the bike and conditions. While shifting mid-corner isn't preferred, it can be done, especially in corners like wagon wheel. You want to get to a point where you don't, but if you do, smooth is king.
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As you stand the bike up the rpm decreases slightly because the rear tire is taller in the center. If you've never clipped the limiter mid-turn there's no reason to shift.
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Reluctant to down shift in a corner, it loads up the bike to bad. Lots of forces going on there anyway.
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I try not to EVER change the ballance of the bike in mid corner.
On that particular turn, I just wind it out and shift as soon as I exit the corner.
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Racer997 Impossible to answer without very specific and tangible information about the bike and conditions. While shifting mid-corner isn't preferred, it can be done, especially in corners like wagon wheel. You want to get to a point where you don't, but if you do, smooth is king.
yes i know it can be done,Larry said dont do it(im sure he does it himself).
Ty said do it ,I'm sure doing it is imperative if you run at their pace.
wagon wheel is one i do shift up on,but its a bigger radius turn(also off camber)
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I try not to EVER change the ballance of the bike in mid corner.
On that particular turn, I just wind it out and shift as soon as I exit the corner.
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yes i know it can be done,Larry said dont do it(im sure he does it himself).
Ty said do it ,I'm sure doing it is imperative if you run at their pace.
wagon wheel is one i do shift up on,but its a bigger radius turn(also off camber)
Oh, I mis-read, I thought you were talking about the Wagon Wheel, I just re-read and saw you were talking about Tombstone.

Yeah, I shift in Tombstone too on the GSXR, but not on the SV. On the SV, I don't seem to need to shift there, it's one gear until the apex before the straight.
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After I made the turn at the horseshoe I would shift up to 3 to take it past tombstone. No point in winding that up and going nowhere but out when the motor blows up.
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sorry guys i did not make myself clear.
what i meant was,at the exit of HORSESHOE
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sorry guys i did not make myself clear.
what i meant was,at the exit of HORSESHOE
In that case, I upshift out of the horseshoe (if going ccw), and then upshift again at/ after the apex of tombstone.

Going cw, I downshift in to the horseshoe and upshift after buzzard's neck.

That's just me though, ymmv.
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