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Old 08-07-2008, 08:59 AM   #1
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When to switch to race tires?

When should I switch over to race tires? I've been to a couple of trackdays and the last TD an instructor told me to move up to Int level but I didn't because it started raining, so I don't know how I would do in the int level riders.

I don't have tire warmers and don't know whether or not to switch to race tires or to stay on the Pirelli III's that I've been running.

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Are you riding the street much?
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If you're doing any street riding, or don't have an extra set of wheels, stay with the Corsa III's or 002 r/s.

If it is a dedicated track bike, you would benefit from some sticky shoes.
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Most intermediate rider are still using street tires. When you feel that you are no longer have confidence in street tires, that's when you need to buy that level of confidence to go faster. Hope that answer your question.
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when you highside J/K!!!

Good question, I think I need to move off of these street tires, but don't really want to invest in warmers and the like. I'd assume if I move to slicks or race rubber I would need to do so in order to regulate the heat cycles, correct?
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I'd assume if I move to slicks or race rubber I would need to do so in order to regulate the heat cycles, correct?
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I still ride the street a lot, almost everyday but I have a No-Mar on the way. I got tired of paying the stealerships around Nacogdoches $80 to change 2 tires. Changing them back and forth wouldn't be a prob.

I'm just not sure about how necessary warmers are and if it would be a waste of money to switch to a DOT race tire.

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if you are riding the street and track on the same tire, warmers aren't going to benefit you. there are plenty of dual purpose tires that would suit you just fine
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I would go w/ something like BT002 Ride Smart. They offer enough grip for me and they are capable enough for someone to run in the 1:55 range at TWS (Texas World Speedway). That's enough for me for a track day.

But, ultimately it's about confidence. If you do don't have it, then you need to find some rubber that will.
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First off, if your remotely intersted in buying warmers, sign up for the Aug. 11th LSTD trackday at TWS (Texas World Speedway). I'll be offering a smoking deal on warmers to the participants of that trackday.

Secondly, If you have the means & desire to change your tires then why not use the sticky stuff? I mean that is like having your cake and eating it. Just FYI, at the track I change tires for $10 a wheel, with the wheel already removed from the bike. Race tires are cheap insurance on the track. Can you continue to ride street tires? Yes, you will probably be fine, but for sure you will not be out riding any race tires.

Tire warmers are an expense that is returned over time. You can use race tires with out warmers. It is not the best situation and you will heat cycle the tires to death way before they are wore out, but it can be done. So for $250 you can get a set of dual temp Suzuka warmers (via LSTD trackday deal) that will last for years, and double the life, possibly triple the life of your tires. BTW they work well on the DCIII's your currently running.

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warmers are a great investment for sure! thanks to suzuka, my tires last longer now!
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Switch to stickier tires when you lose the confidence to go faster on the tires you're on now.
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Good question, I think I need to move off of these street tires, but don't really want to invest in warmers and the like. I'd assume if I move to slicks or race rubber I would need to do so in order to regulate the heat cycles, correct?
How many trackdays have you done dbuck? Frankly, it is time for you to get race rubber and warmers. Sheesh man crashing cost you sooo much more than them. Plus you could get hurt.

As far as the OP, I think when you ride fast intermediate it is time for race rubber. I think I would still do dual purpose tires for a while longer. Your instructors should tell you when you are ready to move up you will be leaving rubber trail on every exit.

dhdrider, your running 1:55 at TWS (Texas World Speedway) on street rubber dang. You better be careful dude you are pushing them tires to the limit.
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How many trackdays have you done dbuck? Frankly, it is time for you to get race rubber and warmers. Sheesh man crashing cost you sooo much more than them. Plus you could get hurt.
I have about 12-15 trackdays under my belt now....I do need to step up and buy some warmers, but I just gotta get my wife to understand

Lucky for me, the crash on Saturday should only set me back about $300 in parts, if that. I just have some character scratches on the bike now
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How many trackdays have you done dbuck? Frankly, it is time for you to get race rubber and warmers. Sheesh man crashing cost you sooo much more than them. Plus you could get hurt.

As far as the OP, I think when you ride fast intermediate it is time for race rubber. I think I would still do dual purpose tires for a while longer. Your instructors should tell you when you are ready to move up you will be leaving rubber trail on every exit.

dhdrider, your running 1:55 at TWS (Texas World Speedway) on street rubber dang. You better be careful dude you are pushing them tires to the limit.
gotta have bowling ball between your legs for this kind of timing on street tires.
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I have about 12-15 trackdays under my belt now....I do need to step up and buy some warmers, but I just gotta get my wife to understand

Lucky for me, the crash on Saturday should only set me back about $300 in parts, if that. I just have some character scratches on the bike now
Dang dude it is definetely time. Just check out John's deal on the warmers and if you want buy take off for a while. They are only about a $100 (buy from a racer that only uses them for a couple of sprints and they are sticky and you will have sooo much more confidence and with warmers you can haul on the first lap. How much you weigh?
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dhdrider, your running 1:55 at TWS (Texas World Speedway) on street rubber dang. You better be careful dude you are pushing them tires to the limit.
Not me. Last year at TWS (Texas World Speedway) Brandon was running John's (kawi jm) 600rr w/ BT002RS tires and running between 1:52 & 1:55 if memory serves me.

But breaking the 2:00 on street tires is entirely feasible and safe IMO.

But like I said and everyone here will agree, it's all about confidence. You need to be on a tire that you have confidence in.

A person who is confident in the set-up of their bike even w/ street tires will most likely run quicker laps than a person who is not confident in the set-up of their bike even if it has race tires. This statement is true for most intermediate level riders.
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These are the BT002 Ride Smart, not really a true street tire. A nice step below a race tire, but a definate step up from true street tires.
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