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Old 08-04-2008, 03:34 PM   #21
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...he's not only expensive, but he lacks customer service....which is the most important part of business. oh yeah, he SUCKS too
Yep. Hart rules. You can pick any 3 images for $18 (or 2 for $15 I think) and you download the original images from a site. That's the way to do it.. Then you can do whatever you want with them.
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Old 08-04-2008, 03:36 PM   #22
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Yep. Hart rules. You can pick any 3 images for $18 (or 2 for $15 I think) and you download the original images from a site. That's the way to do it.. Then you can do whatever you want with them.
He still doesn't take very good shots.
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He still doesn't take very good shots.
I guess I'm only comparing him to Digital Phot Cafe at TWS (Texas World Speedway).
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He still doesn't take very good shots.

I think most would agree that between DigitalPhoto and Hart Photography, most (if not all) will say Hart hands down. Not sure who Hart is compared to when people say he does not take good images.

I have seen some very creative stuff from him. On the other hand, DP guy seems to take stale, static images from same, predefined position.

This has been brought up with RideSmart already, and is being worked on (although it does take some time). We will be sure to see if we can accelerate this process because TWS (Texas World Speedway) deserves a great photo person.

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Aight finally something I have experience with, being a noob!

I am still very much a noob to the whole track thing myself. I have officially completed 4 track days! One with LSTD, 2 with TTD, and one with Elite. I have ran off the track 4 times and crashed at ECR once. Rule number #1 don't crash it sucks, but it is inevitable. If you think you will somehow magically avoid it you would be thinking just like I did, I was wrong and you are too!

What I have learned is the following:

1. You are going to be somewhat slow and nervous the first time on the track. I am not a slow street rider but I am a slow track rider. It's fine and don't worry about it! Point is to get the lines, braking, acceleration, positioning down. I found the more I didn't think about going fast the faster I went. Like riding a bike, get the basics then worry about speed.

2. Don't worry about the knee down thing. If you execute correctly on step 1, the knee will eventually get down. It just happens, scared the of me the first time.

3. Don't come to the track with an ego, cause they have girls out there that will make you look like a little kid riding a bike with a banana seat. Don't let the passing folks bother you, just do your own thing AT YOUR PACE!

4. ASK FOR HELP IF YOU DON'T KNOW OR UNSURE OF SOMETHING! Don't spend more than a session on the track without talking or working with an instructor! My most productive time is following the instructors, and getting them to follow me, then getting their feedback. OH AND LISTEN TO THEM, THEY KNOW THEIR ! I have seen a couple of dumb arses think they didn't need help, those are the people that suck and are a liability to everyone. Don't be THAT guy!

MOST IMPORTANT THING! LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!!! IF YOU QUESTION IF THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU ARE TALKING TO THE WRONG PERSON!!!! You will know what I mean soon enough, this sport is full of people with opinions!

Generally speaking, any of the TTD, LSTD, Longhorn, Motorcycles Unlimited, Tom's guys are your go to people. Find them, don't be a jerk, and take their advice! nough said!

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Old 08-04-2008, 04:42 PM   #27
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I think most would agree that between DigitalPhoto and Hart Photography, most (if not all) will say Hart hands down. Not sure who Hart is compared to when people say he does not take good images.

I have seen some very creative stuff from him. On the other hand, DP guy seems to take stale, static images from same, predefined position.

This has been brought up with RideSmart already, and is being worked on (although it does take some time). We will be sure to see if we can accelerate this process because TWS (Texas World Speedway) deserves a great photo person.


Track owners/event host should allow several photographer out there taking pics. More competition = cheaper, more pics, faster service.

Why limit to just one?
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I guess I'm only comparing him to Digital Phot Cafe at TWS (Texas World Speedway).

My bad I misread and thought you were talking about the other dude.
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Track owners/event host should allow several photographer out there taking pics. More competition = cheaper, more pics, faster service.

Why limit to just one?

That is a very good idea, however the photographers often request to be the only ones there for obvious reasons. I am sure this will be resolved at least at RideSmart very soon.
If you guys have advice and ideas on solving this, we are all ears - want to get you the best possible experience and TWS (Texas World Speedway) is just too darn nice to not have good pics from an event there.
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yeah, don't blame Ridesmart for the photographer at TWS (Texas World Speedway) (Doug Pawlak with Digital Photo Cafe)....i think he's just the photographer guy that TWS (Texas World Speedway) assigns, because he's at all TWS (Texas World Speedway) trackday events (doesn't matter which org is out there)

he's not only expensive, but he lacks customer service....which is the most important part of business. oh yeah, he SUCKS too
I'm not really blaming ridesmart persay. But not sure who to tell. Hopefully some ridesmart folks will see this forum and reassign a new guy. Didn't know he just went to TWS (Texas World Speedway) though. Good to know. Yeah Doug's service is the main reason I hate dealing with him. I don't even buy from him anymore.
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I can't speak for others...but I have done 2 novice classes with TTD and they were the most fun I have ever had on a bike and I learned a ton!
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oh sorry ciaka. I posted before reading all the post after house of pain. Looks like you guys/gals or on it. Great!


we are trying to see what can be done. Really can't say any more for now, but we really want you guys to be satisfied, heck, I would love better images from there too, there are so many good spots to take nice pics, and DPC is not doing that now.
Stay tuned, we hope this gets resolved soon.
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I'll try to avoid self-promotion or off-topic statements for you, and I like what Timme' had to say, some good advice from a "noob" to a "noob".

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... question(s) 1. for a "virgin" is RideSmart as good or better than Texas Track Days, Lone Star, etc. looking for good instructors, improving skills, fun....
"Noob" days are nothing new, some orgs just happen to try to market a "noob only" day for people who are relatively new to the track experience. LSTD has had and continues to have "noob" groups at every track day that isn't a pre-race Friday practice day, and I know Ride Smart has them too.

Some of the TD orgs have been doing this gig for many years, and staff instructors who have been doing it that long and longer. Some things you'll find at just about any track day you attend is:

Attentive staffers

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2. will my bike be too slow to keep up? any advice / feedback would be appreciated
Your bike will be just fine. I've told this story before, but I've been out with Jody Hudson at TWS (Texas World Speedway), I was on a GSXR 750, he was on his Aprilia 450 motard. We swapped spots a few times in the corners, and I was running mid 50's for lap times.

Now, Jody is really fast, so it's not like anyone on one of those bikes will be able to do the same, but fer sher, in any of the "noob" groups, your bike will be more than adequate.

Hope to see you at the track soon, you won't regret coming!
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thanks for all the great advice....... my plan is to learn, learn, learn, take it slow and work on skills, confidence.......... not worried about speed... I am signed up for RideSmart TWS (Texas World Speedway) day Saturday 27th, if any other noob's will be there, would love to hear from you and meet at the track....
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thanks for all the great advice....... my plan is to learn, learn, learn, take it slow and work on skills, confidence.......... not worried about speed... I am signed up for RideSmart TWS (Texas World Speedway) day Saturday 27th, if any other noob's will be there, would love to hear from you and meet at the track....
yep, you can't go wrong with any trackday org you decide to go with.....just signing up and showing up is already a step in the right direction.

as stated in a few posts....try out all the orgs and see which one suits you best.
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Texas Track Days will be having a motard only track day at GSS on Sept 14th. Come on down and see us once you get your cherry popped!

...hey suki man - those pics in your avatars and other spread on bike pics - are they a hobby or is it a one time deal thing for you? LOL
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