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Old 07-29-2008, 03:53 PM   #141
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What I was referring to is the fact that lots of people think the forest is a place to go and do triple the speed limit or more, drag knee, and be faster than the other guy. Let me be clear that the forest IS NOT the place for this.
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Old 07-29-2008, 03:54 PM   #142
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In my experience, it's when the group gets too large that these accidents start to happen. It doesn't mean that they don't happen in smaller groups, they just happen far less often because yo don't have the ego's there.

Most small groups are friends who have ridden together for years and can predict what the other rider is going to do.

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Be a friend, introduce them to track days. The bad side to trackday is, now that they are knowledgable they take it even harder than before.
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sorry dear but you are misunderstanding completely. I DO NOT disagree with groups to keep riders together by skill level, I also DO NOT disagree with using skill learned on the track on the street. What I was referring to is the fact that lots of people think the forest is a place to go and do triple the speed limit or more, drag knee, and be faster than the other guy. Let me be clear that the forest IS NOT the place for this.
crystal clear. thank you.

but thats why. the fast guys that dont do track every weekend, have an itch to ride. you cant stop them. Atleast they have made it safer by not putting noobs right behind them -hence the 3 groups...
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sorry dear but you are misunderstanding completely. I DO NOT disagree with groups to keep riders together by skill level, I also DO NOT disagree with using skill learned on the track on the street. What I was referring to is the fact that lots of people think the forest is a place to go and do triple the speed limit or more, drag knee, and be faster than the other guy. Let me be clear that the forest IS NOT the place for this.
we know this... but one person wrecked outside the forest below the recommended speed for that corner... what to do about that?
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NOPE...not a racer, but bet your hiney that 80% or better of intermediate group riders are just as fast as the "fast" forest riders.....I'm a lot faster now than when I was riding the street. Not Racer fast, but definitely faster.
whos to say "the faster forest riders" dont do track too?!?!
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did i misunderstand this? you guys are bashing bc "a little track idea" was taken to the streets?...do correct me if i misunderstand this...but im taking it as u guys think the 3 groups is a bad idea?!

Um yea you are. Go back and reread the rest of the posts. Or here I will explain again ... there is ONLY 1 speed limit sign out there....... People should not be going 100+ on back country rodes. There are no signs out there saying if you are a fast street rider go this speed. Like someone said earlier the slowest guy should be the fastest. You should understand the difference between street and track. Apparently not.
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so will there still be an organized forest ride this sat???
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NOPE...not a racer, but bet your hiney that 80% or better of intermediate group riders are just as fast as the "fast" forest riders.....I'm a lot faster now than when I was riding the street. Not Racer fast, but definitely faster.
Yeah, I agree. I'm sure most everyone would be faster once having some track days under the belt. I'm too cheap to fork out the money for track days (although I hope to do a couple eventually), but nor do I claim or try to ride "fast" on the streets. I'm too paranoid with cars pulling out around curves, crappy asphault, etc.
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i guess i missed those... i saw, small groups... group by skill level... group by knowledge of the road... don't group... keep to PM's... have a sweeper... don't have a sweeper... ride at the slowest person's pace... stop and tell people to slow down on corners...


none of these have worked and someone went down. what else can be done?
one in particular i mention...for these n00b rides where you have altogether 75+ people, of which a huge portion have never been to the forest. Maybe stick a pair of experienced riders with nore more than 6-8 or so noobs. One in front one in back. The person in front can lead the way and set the pace, the person in back can be looking for ways to help these riders and give them advice.

Not sure who someone chimed in and said we are not a school and not here to teach or help you. If that is the case and riders plan on going these triple digit speeds through the forest, maybe you should keep those rides private.
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we know this... but one person wrecked outside the forest below the recommended speed for that corner... what to do about that?
like i said of course you cannot prevent ALL accidents. But the majority of the accidents happen out there are people riding above their limit. maybe if someone was there to watch them and suggest hey maybe you should be in this group instead, or maybe you should hang back a little further in our group, or you should do this differently. Things could be avoided.
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Um yea you are. Go back and reread the rest of the posts. Or here I will explain again ... there is ONLY 1 speed limit sign out there....... People should not be going 100+ on back country rodes. There are no signs out there saying if you are a fast street rider go this speed. Like someone said earlier the slowest guy should be the fastest. You should understand the difference between street and track. Apparently not.
I still remember our "break in" ride on some of the fayetteville roads... Brena, are you now a reformed street rider?
 
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Not sure who someone chimed in and said we are not a school and not here to teach or help you. If that is the case and riders plan on going these triple digit speeds through the forest, maybe you should keep those rides private.
Who said anything about having a Forest ride at triple digit speeds?
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so will there still be an organized forest ride this sat???
Im taking a few to the track for riding the parade lap... Wanna come? go to pms... there is required gear but not full 1 pieces...
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Who said anything about having a Forest ride at triple digit speeds?
Don't even try...I have been on LOTS of these rides. More than I can count. People hit well into triple digits regularly.
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Um yea you are. Go back and reread the rest of the posts. Or here I will explain again ... there is ONLY 1 speed limit sign out there....... People should not be going 100+ on back country rodes. There are no signs out there saying if you are a fast street rider go this speed. Like someone said earlier the slowest guy should be the fastest. You should understand the difference between street and track. Apparently not.
That was cleared up. ur a little to late tho. but thanks for making sure to say it in the rudest way possible.

I do understand the difference in the street and track. thats why i very very seldom ride street. I do agree its dangerous, and im not comfortable pushing a single limit on the streets. Im just saying, you cant stop the fast guys...why try? and they know the risk..that is their choice to take the risk.

and yes, i agree it might not be the best place to do 100+, but again, you cant stop them. and atleast they tried to help the newer ppl, by putting the three groups so that the newbs didnt have to use their egos to keep up
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After Reading all this for the past hour I think I am gonna go on the next forest ride! Tiatool was a great leader last time i went out there with him and i Felt NO PRESSURE at all......
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After Reading all this for the past hour I think I am gonna go on the next forest ride! Tiatool was a great leader last time i went out there with him and i Felt NO PRESSURE at all......
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