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Old 07-29-2008, 03:29 PM   #81
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you can say that all you want, but you get a bunch of 20-something adult males together on sportbikes and it's nearly impossible to keep those egos in check. no one wants to be the slowest guy. therein lies the problem. and why organized rides with people you don't know well, never work.

ride with people you know and trust. there's much less showboating that way.

if ya'll continue to have organized rides with strangers, you will continue to have the problem of people going down, or even dying. it's a fact of life.
The sweeper is the slowest guy. Egos can be checked.
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there's an old rule that bikers have followed for years and years and years...the group is only as fast as the slowest person. meaning, you put the slow guys in front, let them set the pace. if they're going to slow for you to have fun, you need to get your off the street and onto the track anyways.
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you can say that all you want, but you get a bunch of 20-something adult males together on sportbikes and it's nearly impossible to keep those egos in check. no one wants to be the slowest guy. therein lies the problem. and why organized rides with people you don't know well, never work.

ride with people you know and trust. there's much less showboating that way.

if ya'll continue to have organized rides with strangers, you will continue to have the problem of people going down, or even dying. it's a fact of life.
+1 has always been this way and will always be this way.

i can tell you that "organizing" a ride can lead to litigation, it has happened and you can look forward to it happening again.

anybody can sue anybody for anything, did they crasher win, NO, did the ride organizer have to pony up some $ yup.
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That's why the group is split up and the slower riders don't ride with the faster ones.
yeah, and that's working really well for ya'll isn't it???
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awesome good way to kill the last hour and half at work. Keep discussing, o ya might want to use the search button, there has been many discussions on this very subject, nothing ever gets straightened out people get mad and drama permits, so this really is all pointless, it changes nothing EVER.


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there's an old rule that bikers have followed for years and years and years...the group is only as fast as the slowest person. meaning, you put the slow guys in front, let them set the pace. if they're going to slow for you to have fun, you need to get your off the street and onto the track anyways.

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Is this the new track version of riding the forest? Seems strange to have to seperate a group riding on the streets down to 3 groups novice, intermidiate and advanced just as you would on the track..
I think alot of people see it as that. A track. Problem is...you know how long it takes to get an ambulance out there if something goes seriously wrong? I'll let you take a guess at how long it takes and where the nearest hospitals are.
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The sweeper is the slowest guy. Egos can be checked.
that's exactly the opposite way it should be.
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there's an old rule that bikers have followed for years and years and years...the group is only as fast as the slowest person. meaning, you put the slow guys in front, let them set the pace. if they're going to slow for you to have fun, you need to get your off the street and onto the track anyways.
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yeah, and that's working really well for ya'll isn't it???
lol, You said faster riders and slower riders riding together is bad. I said that's why they don't ride together. lol
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+1 has always been this way and will always be this way.

i can tell you that "organizing" a ride can lead to litigation, it has happened and you can look forward to it happening again.

anybody can sue anybody for anything, did they crasher win, NO, did the ride organizer have to pony up some $ yup.
You know RacerX I never thought of that, but you make a valid point. The legal system is fuked up. Is it the group organizer's fault the rider crashed, NO, but can the rider get a lawyer and sue them, YES, can they win, sadly YES.
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awesome good way to kill the last hour and half at work. Keep discussing, o ya might want to use the search button, there has been many discussions on this very subject, nothing ever gets straightened out people get mad and drama permits, so this really is all pointless, it changes nothing EVER.


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cause hes seen this happen a million times
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I can post as many comments as I want and you are a smart A$$ why
lol, trying to stretch out the last hour and a half at work too?
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the group was split into 3 for reasons suggested. I keep reading smaller groups are safer, so we made the group smaller. I keep reading people feel like they need to keep up, so we split it by skill level. I keep reading people are riding too fast for others, so we split it by pace. I used the A, I, N analogy to simplify. I called the first group lightning jonny, second group experienced and third group cruiser. Does that work better for you?

Yes, people should hone their skills at the track, but let's be honest. It is alot easier to gear up and hit 3090. It is a fun road with curves. I didn't engeneer it that way. Some of these people going off are going at or under the speed limit. So blame TXDPS for setting the speed limit out there and making the road so curvy.
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I think alot of people see it as that. A track. Problem is...you know how long it takes to get an ambulance out there if something goes seriously wrong? I'll let you take a guess at how long it takes and where the nearest hospitals are.
Oh Oh I know the answer to this... About 45 minutes to an hour if not longer to get out and you will be taken to Brenham hospital i believe it was which is about 30 minutes to an hour away. Had a very dear friend that went down out there a long time ago.
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Yes, people should hone their skills at the track, but let's be honest. It is alot easier to gear up and hit 3090. It is a fun road with curves. I didn't engeneer it that way. Some of these people going off are going at or under the speed limit. So blame TXDPS for setting the speed limit out there and making the road so curvy.
I think the whole purpose of this exercise is to make them aware of where they need to hone those skills
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I think alot of people see it as that. A track. Problem is...you know how long it takes to get an ambulance out there if something goes seriously wrong? I'll let you take a guess at how long it takes and where the nearest hospitals are.
long enough that people die due to lack of medical care. i don't mean to sound like an , but you think all the people that went out on a group ride through the forest, that they thought was well organized, that have died, still think the ride was such a good idea? i've lost countless close friends in the forest, and several other local roads, and i'm certain that if they had known what they do now, they wouldn't have gone on that ride that day.

you can argue for the ride all you want, but fact of the matter is, IT'S NOT WORKING. people are dying and people are getting hurt.
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Oh Oh I know the answer to this... About 45 minutes to an hour if not longer to get out and you will be taken to Brenham hospital i believe it was which is about 30- an hour away.


If your lucky the ambo makes it there and says you need life flight, but if you have been laying needing lifeflight for an hour, how well do you think things are going?
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