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Old 07-29-2008, 02:24 PM   #21
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As responsible motohoustoner's we should stop and think about this forest ride.

guys we are doing something wrong here, at least 1 person goes down on this ride Every week.


so what are we doing wrong and how can we fix it?

and glad you are ok

I have some ideas on how to stop this...but some people don't want to hear em.
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Old 07-29-2008, 02:26 PM   #22
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As responsible motohoustoner's we should stop and think about this forest ride.

guys we are doing something wrong here, at least 1 person goes down on this ride Every week.


so what are we doing wrong and how can we fix it?

and glad you are ok
The fact of the matter is, no matter how fast/slow you go you can/will still go down out there.

Its the price we pay.
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Old 07-29-2008, 02:32 PM   #24
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As responsible motohoustoner's we should stop and think about this forest ride.

guys we are doing something wrong here, at least 1 person goes down on this ride Every week.


so what are we doing wrong and how can we fix it?

and glad you are ok
The problem is going too fast.

The leader should slow it down so the whole group slow down and no one wrecks. If no one wrecks it's more fun.
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Old 07-29-2008, 02:38 PM   #25
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The problem is going too fast.

The leader should slow it down so the whole group slow down and no one wrecks. If no one wrecks it's more fun.

WRONG!! Have you been on a forest ride with us?? Were you on this one?? Speaking out of school here, and NOT apprecitated. We split this group into 3 levels. Advanced, intermidiate and novice. If you have never been on 3090 you were NOT alowed in advanced. It is up to the individual to place themselves in the appropriate group. It is up to the INDIVIDUAL to ride within themselves and keep the bike on the road. We wait for EVERYONE so there is no pressure to keep up or push limits. We wait for as long as it takes. Other than twisting the throttle for them, what else can we do?

Maybe you super safe totally awesome super leaders should take 30 people out there and get them through safely since you know so much
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The fact of the matter is, no matter how fast/slow you go you can/will still go down out there.

Its the price we pay.
not the case. i have had several private rides out there and no one has went down. The problem is some people treat the forest like it's the track. And it's not that. The point of the forest should be a nice enjoyable ride. Not let's see who can go the fastest. If people want to haul and drag knee and take curves at triple digits they need to go to the track. I fear for a lot of my friends that go out there.

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The problem is going too fast.

The leader should slow it down so the whole group slow down and no one wrecks. If no one wrecks it's more fun.
This is part of the problem. I came around a curve on 3090 about 70 on the last ride and bam there was a fcking deer in the road. If I had been riding like some people ride through 3090 I might not be here today.
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FALSE.
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WRONG!! Have you been on a forest ride with us?? Were you on this one?? Speaking out of school here, and NOT apprecitated. We split this group into 3 levels. Advanced, intermidiate and novice. If you have never been on 3090 you were NOT alowed in advanced. It is up to the individual to place themselves in the appropriate group. It is up to the INDIVIDUAL to ride within themselves and keep the bike on the road. We wait for EVERYONE so there is no pressure to keep up or push limits. We wait for as long as it takes. Other than twisting the throttle for them, what else can we do?

Maybe you super safe totally awesome super leaders should take 30 people out there and get them through safely since you know so much
I have been on many of these rides myself. This is one of the biggest problems. No offense guys cause you are all friends. But taking 30 people in a group through the forest and 3090 is asking for problems.
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The fact of the matter is, no matter how fast/slow you go you can/will still go down out there.

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I have to disagree. Your odds for a single vehicle accident go up with more miles ridden, and also with higher speeds, but when you're riding withing your limits, and with a clear head while the ego is in check, those odds are drastically reduced. The way to curb most of the accidents is training.

This sounds like a broken record, but learning those skills on a track make a huge difference. Look at most of the fast street riders who come to the track. They usually crash out their first day, have a very hard time getting the lines down, and struggle with body position and throttle control. They are the slowest on the track. Now if you turn that around, most fast track riders are slow on the streets because they know that traction is unpredictable at best, road hazards and cagers are lurking at every corner to take them out, and there is no run off or room for error.

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Take the forest discussion here:

http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh....php?p=1344135


Don't get this thread locked.
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I know how hard that is...my hats off to you for doing so
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Correct..

If I were to blame anything it would be the fact that is It a by-product of learning to ride in the Houston area... Urban jungle with no real twisties to speak of, unable to learn the skills necessary to cope with actual twists and turns like 149 & 3090. Unless you visit one of the many tracks around this area...
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I have to disagree. Your odds for a single vehicle accident go up with more miles ridden, and also with higher speeds, but when you're riding withing your limits, and with a clear head while the ego is in check, those odds are drastically reduced. The way to curb most of the accidents is training.

This sounds like a broken record, but learning those skills on a track make a huge difference. Look at most of the fast street riders who come to the track. They usually crash out their first day, have a very hard time getting the lines down, and struggle with body position and throttle control. They are the slowest on the track. Now if you turn that around, most fast track riders are slow on the streets because they know that traction is unpredictable at best, road hazards and cagers are lurking at every corner to take them out, and there is no run off or room for error.

Just food for thought

I agree completely that a lot of that should be taken to the track, but those speeds aren't usually the problem from what I see. I've been on several of these rides and it's not the guys doin triple digits that are going down. Most of the people going down, from what I have seen are inexperienced with both twisties and with groups. A lot of people get sucked into a corner too fast by a rider in front of them. It still comes back to being responsible for your own actions. I have ridden with hooligan, cdill, and some of these other "fast" riders out there. I can't hang with them at all, but I still end up in the same place as them because they wait for me.

Even if these rides weren't offered up to the masses these rides will still be taking place. Whether it be a group of 30 or ten groups of 3 and there will still be people going down.
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glad you're ok dave. I wish you and Rj had let me know yall were going to ride sat. I woulda came out.
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No offense guys cause you are all friends. But taking 30 people in a group through the forest and 3090 is asking for problems

Not really the 30 of us were split into 3 groups beginner, intermediate, & advanced and were spaced miles apart. I didn't even see anyone from the other groups in the twisties until we came to a complete stop at a crossroads when we regrouped so I don't think that was the issue.


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I agree completely that a lot of that should be taken to the track, but those speeds aren't usually the problem from what I see. I've been on several of these rides and it's not the guys doin triple digits that are going down.
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