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Old 07-28-2008, 08:31 AM   #1
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Corner Braking

I know you're supposed to do all your braking before going into a turn, but what if you have to brake slightly in the turn? Is it better to use you front, rear, or both brakes. I'm not talking about stopping, just reducing speed a little.
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Old 07-28-2008, 08:34 AM   #2
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You hit the brakes in a turn the bike is going to try to stand up, and you'll go straight off the road. What you need to do is tuck your weight forward a little more, get your off the to the side of the seat and look where you want to go.


There is a the concept of trail braking, but I'll let some one else explain that one
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Here are a couple of threads on the subject. They range from street to track discussions.

http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...=trail+braking

http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...=trail+braking

http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...=trail+braking

http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...=trail+braking
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Try not to brake, just push through the turn. If you have to drag a small amount of back brake. You definitely do NOT want to use your front brakes because your front tire turning the bike.
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Pyro you can use the front brake allday long in a turn I do it all the time on the tack as a matte of fact I never use my rear brake on the track front only. It I called trail braking the more track days you do you find out about it ask one of the instructors at msrh they can explain it to ya.
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Pyro you can use the front brake allday long in a turn I do it all the time on the tack as a matte of fact I never use my rear brake on the track front only. It I called trail braking the more track days you do you find out about it ask one of the instructors at msrh they can explain it to ya.
Haven't learned trailbraking. On the track I try to take care of all my braking before the turn.
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just lean over farther, chances are that the bike will lean a lot more than you believe it will, always better than braking mid-corner.
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I have, occassionally, used slight front braking mid turn or actually more at the pre-apex point in the corner. Not a handful, just slightly. I am pretty new to the track but have NEVER used the back brake in a corner at all. If I am cornering right, I cant even get my foot on the rear brake. Corner left is just about as hard to reach the back brake also. I also try to keep a load on the suspension when working with the front brake. I dont complete close the throttle and then grab the front brake.

Using the back brake

Like Mckee said...I'll let more experienced riders talk about trail braking. Having thought about it more, I shouldnt even have chimed in considering I barley know what the I am doing!
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With rear brake I was referring to street riding, not on the track. (This isn't in the racers section this is General Discussion) On the track obviously you would only use rear brake if say you went off the track because you won't be able to get your foot on it if the ball of your foot is on the peg how it should be.
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With rear brake I was referring to street riding, not on the track. (This isn't in the racers section this is General Discussion) On the track obviously you would only use rear brake if say you went off the track because you won't be able to get your foot on it if the ball of your foot is on the peg how it should be.
Actually you can use the rear brake on the track as well and the faster guys do. The rear brake is great for midcorner adjustments.

But like has Jody said I'm just freaking slow
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Actually you can use the rear brake on the track as well and the faster guys do. The rear brake is great for midcorner adjustments.

But like has Jody said I'm just freaking slow
I was taught no rear brake on the track. But then again I am just a novice.
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With rear brake I was referring to street riding, not on the track. (This isn't in the racers section this is General Discussion) On the track obviously you would only use rear brake if say you went off the track because you won't be able to get your foot on it if the ball of your foot is on the peg how it should be.

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I don't know about anyone that uses the rear brake for "mid corner adjustments"- it's possible I guess, I've never heard of it though. Motards are the only bikes I know of that actively may still use the rear brake a bit in the corner.

Trail braking is a skill, and should be handled with care. I use the front brake for trail braking and mid-corner adjustments, but really only when I'm on a fast pace and am trying to make a pass or set up for a pass. There is really no good reason to practice trail braking on the street, on the track, it should be approached with caution.

At some of the bigger/ wider tracks, you can practice this skill at slower paces. A light touch on the front brake in the corner will give you a taste of what it does for you mid-corner
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I was taught no rear brake on the track. But then again I am just a novice.
Good advice as a general "rule of thumb", but not an absolute. Plenty of folks use the rear brakes, but I don't think I know of any using it for mid-corner adjustments. There are much better methods for that like engine braking and trail braking (with the front brakes).

You just can't get the feel of the brakes with the rear imho.

Again, I wouldn't advise doing this on the street at all.
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I would suggest taking advantage of one of the many track day organizations that support this site by signing up for an event along with the rider school. You will learn about this amongst many other crucial things for riding your motorcycle.
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Old 07-28-2008, 10:04 AM   #18
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I use both if really necessary, but primarily will use the front.

Application of either needs to be with knowledge of what the chassis is doing:

As you apply the front brake, weight transfers to the front tire.
It can apply more weight to it giving it more traction, but it can also apply too much force to it, causing it to lose traction and low side.

The rear is a bit different. As you apply the front brakes, the rear of the bike becomes unweighted and will become more sensitive to locking up.
Applying a bit of rear brake along with the front will help "even the chassis".
The application of the rear brake, if done correctly while still applying throttle, will make the rear suspension squat a bit moving, the weight transfer to the rear.
Caution must be used though as this weight transfer can also unweight the front tire causing it to lose traction.
Trail braking is a skill best developed initially at slower speeds so you can get a feel for what the bike is doing.
Keep in mind what I've just explained about what the application of each is doing to the chassis will help you understand it easier.
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MSF teaches us to fear the front brake, and to use both at the same time. Not a bad idea to use both but I don't like the fact that they instill fear in the fronts. I use a touch of front if I need to correct a line or to scrub off some speed, even while in turn. I've used it on track as well as street. I guess out of all the nuances of riding there are, braking with the front in a turn is not something I fear. All other points listed here are valid, it's the same thing where each rider will have different levels of confort with certain things. Some will be able to do this with no compunction while others, despite how many times you are told things 'can' be done some people just have their own comfort zone. I don't think it is something to fear and I'd say that out of all the aspects of riding, being a brake master is one thing you should strive for. Do you ride with your two fingers draped over the front brake lever? Keeps them there, always ready to apply a smooth even light application. Cut down on grabbing too much lever if you ask me, but everyone's got a different style.
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I think it's important to learn about trail braking. If you are in a corner and you see something in the road it's good to know how to utilize this skill. I use it when needed.

You could also go on a back road with large radius corners and go through and experiment at low speeds. At least you will have some idea of how it works.
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