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Old 07-16-2008, 10:59 PM   #1
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gsxr swap on SV

I have heard yays and nays about doing the GSXR fork swap. I found a complete set up for $400 the guy bought all the stuff to do it himself and decided not to. So is it worth it or just do springs and emulators?
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I like the springs and emulators. Until I run faster than a 1:51 at TWS (Texas World Speedway) on that setup, I can't justify the extra weight. It does add quite a bit of weight. Forks are bigger, fornt brakes are bigger, front wheel is heavier.

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That is pretty much the same thing I was told by Patrick and Brandon at Motorcycles Unlimited when I inquired about swapping mine.
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around how much do springs and emulators cost?
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Ractech springs are 109.99
and gold emulators run about $160
then new oil is about $20
including labor it should probably $400~$500

I'm paying $200 to get everything done minus the emulators b/c I'm a student and can't afford all that now. But from what I've heard, even with a GSXR swap you should still get the correct springs for your weight which may mean buying both the front and springs. But most people also say a well setup stock front is the best way to go. That's what I'm going to do, mainly because I don't want to hassle with the exchange then selling the old forks.
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svrider.com is your friend for finding the parts you need

Order springs from Sonic Springs (much cheaper)
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i will be doing the labor myself so thats not a prob
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Then just go with new springs and emulators.

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I would like to do a front end swap just to get the brakes
but my sonic springs make me happy, no emulators yet.
how much of a difference do the emulators make?
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emulators are awesome, and I've heard switching the front doesn't make a big diff. Yes the brakes are bigger, but you added ~5-10 pounds.
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Like other things like this, it's a preference to many. Personally, I like the GSXR front end a LOT. The triples are wider which "feels" like I have more leverage than the narrow SV triples (something a big guy like me likes). The cartridge forks are infinitely adjustable, parts are more readily available for replacement (there are way more GSXRs out there than SVs), the GSXR front end crashes better and is less likely to bend (if you get the inverted pre-'06 models), and you can re-name your SV to "SV-R"

I've done this swap on every SV I've owned, and if I got another one, I'd do it to that one too. Our endurance bike has one, and I'm just as fast on it (with all that "extra" weight) as the top guys in the class and faster than most in that class- and I'm not even a "fast guy"! The few ounces of difference in the weight is nominal.

Now, for justification on what Patrick is talking about; for your racing or track day needs, the emulators and springs is juuuuust fine. There is nothing wrong with it, and many people prefer it. Personally, I think the AK20 kit is better for the modern SVs (I've ridden a couple), but the Racetech setup works very well, and the comparison between the two is negligible (except for price, the AK20s cost a lot more).

To me, if you're getting an '05 or older inverted front end with the wheel, brakes, triples, and bearings for the SV, then that's a helluva deal. If it's '00 or older, you're paying too much. I'd get it in a heartbeat if it were the '01-'05 inverted front end.

For the record, our class winning SV endurance bike has a '99 SRAD inverted front end on it with stock springs. You can get one of those front ends (complete) for about $200. Very durable and every bit as adjustable front end from the GSXR.
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I researched this same thing two years ago and I already had the Race Tech stuff on my SV but had problems with the front pushing in high speed turns when I was hard on the gas. I purchased the bike from a guy who was lighter than me and it was set up for him. I called Marcus M. and told him I was going to buy a GSXR front end and he kinda laughed. He told me that for the money he could build me a front end (AK20) and I would be happier with it and it wouldn't require alot of mods. It was the most awesome change I ever made to my bike. It immediately felt more confidence and lap times improved by over five seconds on some tracks. I have no problem with the stock SV brakes either. The horsepower to weight ratio on the SV is a factor to watch if you want to be competitive, especially for us bigger guys.
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I researched this same thing two years ago and I already had the Race Tech stuff on my SV but had problems with the front pushing in high speed turns when I was hard on the gas. I purchased the bike from a guy who was lighter than me and it was set up for him. I called Marcus M. and told him I was going to buy a GSXR front end and he kinda laughed. He told me that for the money he could build me a front end (AK20) and I would be happier with it and it wouldn't require alot of mods. It was the most awesome change I ever made to my bike. It immediately felt more confidence and lap times improved by over five seconds on some tracks. I have no problem with the stock SV brakes either. The horsepower to weight ratio on the SV is a factor to watch if you want to be competitive, especially for us bigger guys.
That's funny, Marcus told me that the '03 GSXR front end I had on my SV was "a great front end, don't change a thing" Marcus was selling the AK20s then wasn't he

There's no doubt, the AK20 is a great drop-in, some think they're better than Ohlins.

I have my personal preference, and I know a bunch of folks with the GSXR front ends on their SV that won't switch back.

The end all be all is that the stock SV front end with whatever modified system you go with (emulators, AK20s, etc) is a good little suspension that is more than competent for all riders from the fastest to the slowest person on the track
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You may be right as I have yet to ride a GSXR front end on an SV. Maybe we should swap bikes and do a comparison. I am always open to anything to improve my bike. MM made me a great deal on my forks and they're not actually AK20 stuff, but same concept. Point is that I've been told to spend your money on two things.....tires and suspension. Ohh...and Tom....go to sleep!!
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i will be doing the labor myself so thats not a prob
Ummm, not a good idea.

If you do it the way RT says it will not work right.

Has to have completely different mods.
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You may be right as I have yet to ride a GSXR front end on an SV. Maybe we should swap bikes and do a comparison. I am always open to anything to improve my bike. MM made me a great deal on my forks and they're not actually AK20 stuff, but same concept. Point is that I've been told to spend your money on two things.....tires and suspension. Ohh...and Tom....go to sleep!!
You really should ride our endurance bike, it handles better than any bike I've ever ridden.

I am going to sleep right now... you do the same! You've gotta haul the kid up to OHR to get some practice, don't you?
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That's funny, Marcus told me that the '03 GSXR front end I had on my SV was "a great front end, don't change a thing" Marcus was selling the AK20s then wasn't he

There's no doubt, the AK20 is a great drop-in, some think they're better than Ohlins.

I have my personal preference, and I know a bunch of folks with the GSXR front ends on their SV that won't switch back.

The end all be all is that the stock SV front end with whatever modified system you go with (emulators, AK20s, etc) is a good little suspension that is more than competent for all riders from the fastest to the slowest person on the track
Prolly never been on sorted SV forks.

I think the GSXR forks will work great, but so do the SV forks when sorted. I don't think there is much of a difference and to sort the SV forks is wayt cheaper than buying GSXR stuff and then sorting those.
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Why are there instruction for there parts not correct? I am a tech at stubbs cycles so this will not be my first set of forks to rebuild.
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They are WAY WAY WAY off for working on any tracks around here.

You will ruin the damping rods if you follow the instructions.

This isn't about taking the forks apart and putting them back together.

It is more about making the forks work on a racetrack.
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