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Old 07-11-2008, 03:15 PM   #21
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ka ching, start small..........

its all about corner speed. and small bikes help you learn.
I don't know if I agree with that. I think corner speed between the really fast people and regular trackdayers that ride expert ain't that much different. I think really fast people know how to brake really reeally late and don't coast at all is the reason they are faster.

Small bikes I don't know if I agree with that either. I did alot better on my 1000 than I did on my 750 mainly because I was faster on the coners than alot of 1000's but they were faster down the straight. When I got a 1000 it fixed that problem.
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No dude. I'm not saying it's a bike problem. The 675 is sweet and turns fine. I spent my time worrying about crashing it so I couldn't focus on riding it.

Have you had the suspension set up? I'm pretty heavy so Motorcycles Unlimited had to do some adjusting on both ends to get it right for me. The rear still isn't all it can be but then again, neither am I.

One other suggestion that might help.............On all my bikes I've always had a tach and a speedo and would find myself using them to set my corner speeds. If you are watching them, you aren't focusing on the track. My 650 doesn't have any instrumentation and it has really helped me get in touch with the bike and taught me that I really can judge corner speeds myself.
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Old 07-11-2008, 03:17 PM   #23
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Chad (code name = MagicMan) went off at the same place. Rashed up his RC51. Did you do much damage to the bike? I didn't see you actually go off, looked back an saw you standing in the grass couldn't see the bike at all.
That grass was like 10 feet tall I swear! I would have been fine if it was just grass or even just that dirt . I got the bike slowed down fine but there was a little ditch like 1 foot wide (looked like where water ran off the track from), that did me in.

Jenn was cracking up at me... We were checking out the bike and I was like this brake line doesn't have any pressure, that sucks... She was like no dude that is the clutch! Shiiiiiiit ok so I was a little rattled too funny!
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took me awhile to overcome the fear of going into a corner too hot. But coming out and asking is the best thing to do....ask the instructors at your next track day and try working on braking deeper and deeper into a specific corner .. Work that corner (s) till you feel confident enough to move on to the next. It worked for me...So just try and good luck.
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No dude. I'm not saying it's a bike problem. The 675 is sweet and turns fine. I spent my time worrying about crashing it so I couldn't focus on riding it.

Have you had the suspension set up? I'm pretty heavy so Motorcycles Unlimited had to do some adjusting on both ends to get it right for me. The rear still isn't all it can be but then again, neither am I.

One other suggestion that might help.............On all my bikes I've always had a tach and a speedo and would find myself using them to set my corner speeds. If you are watching them, you are focusing on the track. My 650 doesn't have any instrumentation and it has really helped me get in touch with the bike and taught me that I really can judge corner speeds myself.
Oh I got you on the bike thing now.

I have that problem for sure... I used my GoPro to see where I was looking... every single time I sped up or got to a corner I looked down! I am gonna work on that for sure next time, was frustrating to watch.. Through the corners I was looking at the exit, at the exit I looked at the next corner then all you hear is the engine rev up and all you see is the ground...
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I would talk with an instructor about braking. Knowing that you can brake hard before entering a corner(while upright) will increase your confidence. Those front brakes are powerful once you learn to use them without losing control of the bike.
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took me awhile to overcome the fear of going into a corner too hot. But coming out and asking is the best thing to do....ask the instructors at your next track day and try working on braking deeper and deeper into a specific corner .. Work that corner (s) till you feel confident enough to move on to the next. It worked for me...So just try and good luck.
Thats great advice, thanks!
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By the way, you did great this weekend
Tim where / what is that sticky stuff on the side of your tank called again? What do you even call it (tank grip)?

I have been google'ing for it but the name you gave me doesn't come back to me. Are there other brands that work well?
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ka ching, start small..........

its all about corner speed, entry speed , exit speed and more speed on the the straight away. Just take one day at a time. NO one was born fast.
Like Jody said, practice, practice, practice.
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I would talk with an instructor about braking. Knowing that you can brake hard before entering a corner(while upright) will increase your confidence. Those front brakes are powerful once you learn to use them without losing control of the bike.
Sweet, I guess I just have never really used the front brake that hard on a bike. On the street you use it but not like the track, on the track you really use it. I don't ever touch the rear brake on the track, the street I touch it almost all the time. So braking that habit is tough, I find myself wanting to push that rear brake at every corner. Without it my brain thinks the bike wont stop I guess. I also don't like that rear wheel chatter when you apply tooo much pressure to the front break, that freaks me out big time!

The balance is what I am searching for eh? Enough pressure but not too much, it is a hard thing to find for me. True for everyone?
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Sweet, I guess I just have never really used the front brake that hard on a bike. On the street you use it but not like the track, on the track you really use it. I don't ever touch the rear brake on the track, the street I touch it almost all the time. So braking that habit is tough, I find myself wanting to push that rear brake at every corner. Without it my brain thinks the bike wont stop I guess. I also don't like that rear wheel chatter when you apply tooo much pressure to the front break, that freaks me out big time!

The balance is what I am searching for eh? Enough pressure but not too much, it is a hard thing to find for me. True for everyone?
Nothing wrong with using rear brakes at the track. It's how much you applied it. I have seen some guys do their victory dance by backing it in.
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Sweet thanks man!

Hey by the way how is Candie? She crashed at TWS (Texas World Speedway) on 6/22 right? I hope this is the same bubby I am thinking you are. You guys don't know me but I was there that day, tried to help any way I could. How did her surgery go? She on the way to a full recovery?
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Your problem may also be related to vision as you are approaching the turn. I've found personally on my bike and in cars as well as with students I instructed on four wheels that looking as far through the turn as possible helps them better judge an appropriate corner entry speed. K. Code talks about that quite a bit in Twist of the Wrist II.

Try looking as far through the turn as you can see; it might help.

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Sweet thanks man!

Hey by the way how is Candie? She crashed at TWS (Texas World Speedway) on 6/22 right? I hope this is the same bubby I am thinking you are. You guys don't know me but I was there that day, tried to help any way I could. How did her surgery go? She on the way to a full recovery?
Yep same Bubby! Candie is recovering. She had surgery on her collarbone and is in the healing process...still in a lot of pain. She'll be back on the bike soon.
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Your problem may also be related to vision as you are approaching the turn. I've found personally on my bike and in cars as well as with students I instructed on four wheels that looking as far through the turn as possible helps them better judge an appropriate corner entry speed. K. Code talks about that quite a bit in Twist of the Wrist II.

Try looking as far through the turn as you can see; it might help.

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Aight so how do you judge where to cut in if you are looking deep into a corner? Peripheral vision? That makes sense, if I look at my GoPro video I am looking at the spot where I want to turn in, not where I want to go. I got better at doing it during the day but I still see my last runs where I am looking at the turn in spot on the ground and then I look through the corner.

Interesting! I will have to try that!
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Yep same Bubby! Candie is recovering. She had surgery on her collarbone and is in the healing process...still in a lot of pain. She'll be back on the bike soon.
Glad to hear she is healing, sad to hear she is in pain that sux! Hope she does well recovering. Been there done that and it sucks! However, hydracodone (or whatever drug they gave her for the pain) is usually some good stuff makes you feel all warm and cozy. That stuff is addictive!
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Try looking as far through the turn as you can see; it might help.

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another good pointer that I overlooked...Thanks Curt.
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Sweet, I guess I just have never really used the front brake that hard on a bike. On the street you use it but not like the track, on the track you really use it. I don't ever touch the rear brake on the track, the street I touch it almost all the time. So braking that habit is tough, I find myself wanting to push that rear brake at every corner. Without it my brain thinks the bike wont stop I guess. I also don't like that rear wheel chatter when you apply tooo much pressure to the front break, that freaks me out big time!

The balance is what I am searching for eh? Enough pressure but not too much, it is a hard thing to find for me. True for everyone?
come see me at TWS (Texas World Speedway). I'll take you out two up and show you just how late you can brake
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