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Old 07-10-2008, 10:55 AM   #21
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Its not ideal to learn on a setup thats too soft.
Then you might think a properly setup bike is too harsh.
I see it pretty often, guys get new components and complain about it being stiff.
Just gotta go faster and it gets smoother.
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Personally, I like the way my bike was set up with stiffer springs and cartridge work on the front- and I've always used Racetech (never saw an advantage to going to Ohlins). I don't run Jody's pace, but I can comfortably run mid-50's at TWS (Texas World Speedway) on my 600 and 56-58's on our endurance SV race bike.

I have a Penske shock now, had an Ohlins on my old bike. Both work just fine for me.

I've ridden some stock front end GSXRs, and even at my weight (which is more than 225...) it worked just fine at my pace.
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Its not ideal to learn on a setup thats too soft.
Then you might think a properly setup bike is too harsh.
I see it pretty often, guys get new components and complain about it being stiff.
Just gotta go faster and it gets smoother.
Personally, I think learning on a softer suspension can make you smoother- because you have to be smoother to make it work- but that doesn't make it "right".

I've always ridden on softer suspensions because my team mates were always a lot lighter than me. Once I got rid of my "team" bike and bought a bike just for me, I set it up just for me, and I liked it a lot more.

YMMV
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ok sounds good. I'm not spinning it up to much. Only on the tech session switching from right side to the left and getting on the throttle to hard sometimes at a slower speed. I'm running Corsa 3 tires to, but recently bought some BT-003 to try out later on.
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ok sounds good. I'm not spinning it up to much. Only on the tech session switching from right side to the left and getting on the throttle to hard sometimes at a slower speed. I'm running Corsa 3 tires to, but recently bought some BT-003 to try out later on.
would u be interested in meetin with me at an LSTD event and maybe i can help teach u to ride that big beast smoothly without all the wheelspin ?
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that's funny. No I'm fine. Like I said it's not to often, but what I ment in the beginning is if I want to spin it up I can.
Really my man problem is I need it to turn in better, which I guess a little turning on the front preload will help with that and maybe springs set to my weight, plus I'm going to a 190/55 rear from my 190/50.
And 2nd I want the whole bike to feel more planted over the rough sections of the track. But when I gas it the rear end doesn't really step out on me unless I'm tired and not being as smooth, but only happens every once in a while. It never snaps out on me though and has good feel for the most part. I'm sure as my pace pics up I'll have different issues arise like ya'll suggested. I'm not the slowest out there, but far from the fastest. I basically just broke into the 1:59 at TWS (Texas World Speedway) this last time out with the screwed up turn 1 they had out there and I run consistant 1:55 at MSRH which felt pretty easy for me to do in the traffic I was in last time out. I suppose if I get more confidence in the front tire grip I can run alittle faster which hopefully the new BT-003 will help, but I'm not rushing it. When it comes it does. I do however use all my tire up (no chicken strips) and drag my knee alot with out thinking about it and with the correct body position which I must say is a hoot and really gave me more confidence of where I am to relation to the ground.
Anyway sounds like I'm not quite fast enough to really utilize a better suspension setup, but somehow I think I would feel a difference in how smooth the suspension absorbs bumps etc.. and how quick I can get on the gas out of a curve because the power is getting put to the ground better.
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Personally, I like the way my bike was set up with stiffer springs and cartridge work on the front- and I've always used Racetech (never saw an advantage to going to Ohlins). I don't run Jody's pace, but I can comfortably run mid-50's at TWS (Texas World Speedway) on my 600 and 56-58's on our endurance SV race bike.

I have a Penske shock now, had an Ohlins on my old bike. Both work just fine for me.

I've ridden some stock front end GSXRs, and even at my weight (which is more than 225...) it worked just fine at my pace.
Thanks Tom & bdubb that's good to know to. Sounds like I need to tweek my settings on the front some more at my next track day and it sounds like getting a new rear shock setup is the way to go to.
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Yeah man, don't get me wrong though, I really like the feel of the front end with the springs and cartridges done- there's nothing like it when you're pushing your pace.

The stock front ends I've ridden (a couple of different bikes), there's no doubt that it was too soft, but it's definitely ridable and stable for me.

With my bike, I feel like it gets better as I pick up the pace, and at slower paces, it feels, well, just different.

Talk to Patrick about getting an Ohlins or Penske shock first- and get the triple adjustable too. See how that works for you and then decide if you need to get the front end done.
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Jody if Gixxerman doesn't need your help I'll be happy to step in line and take some lessons from you. I've seen you ride.
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Jody if Gixxerman doesn't need your help I'll be happy to step in line and take some lessons from you. I've seen you ride.
anytime ! hit me up at any LSTD event. ill be more than happy to help u out
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oh I can always use the help. You don't see me chasing down Ben Spies.
I just though he wanted to ride my bike. But yeah my next LSTD event I'll be bending your ear.
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oh I can always use the help. You don't see me chasing down Ben Spies.
I just though he wanted to ride my bike. But yeah my next LSTD event I'll be bending your ear.
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i dont want to ride ur bike bro. i got my own scooter. i was just gonna help u learn to ride a 1000 smoothly. thats all.
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anytime ! hit me up at any LSTD event. ill be more than happy to help u out
Thanks !! I'll be looking for you.
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Thanks !! I'll be looking for you.
im usually pitted with the LSTD crew... Steve, Wade & Jeff
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i dont want to ride ur bike bro. i got my own scooter. i was just gonna help u learn to ride a 1000 smoothly. thats all.
that's cool. You would probably show me how fast it can really go anyway. I've seen you ride before to at GSS, but on the motard. fun to watch you slide that bike around. Anyway I'll look for ya to next time I'm out.
Thanks for the offer
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that's cool. You would probably show me how fast it can really go anyway. I've seen you ride before to at GSS, but on the motard. fun to watch you slide that bike around. Anyway I'll look for ya to next time I'm out.
Thanks for the offer
yep. anytime
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Old 07-10-2008, 05:30 PM   #37
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FWIW, my R1 has RaceTech internals in the front and Ohlins on the rear and it handles as good or better than my Ducati with Ohlins front and rear.

Both were setup by Motorcycles Unlimited.
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FWIW, my R1 has RaceTech internals in the front and Ohlins on the rear and it handles as good or better than my Ducati with Ohlins front and rear.

Both were setup by Motorcycles Unlimited.
well that's good to hear. Ya know I was chasing down a Ducati 1098 at MSRH my last track day there and I got to say. I was very impressed on how quick he could get off the corners through the technical section and on the gas putting the power to the ground. I was right on him and he had about the same pace as me or a little quicker it seemed. It just seemed like he was able to get his power to the ground quicker then me, because I would hear him accelerate and I did almost at the same time and he would pull away exiting the turns. I wasn't spinning up either. Of course it might be that great low end torque they got I hear about compared to the inlines.
The 1098 want out run me down the back stretch so I was able to reel him in and actually was able to close up on top of him almost braking into the corners for some reason even though I know those bikes got the brembo's and I'm not a real late breaker myself. Anyway it was impressive to see the bike in action with someone that was a little faster then me. Anyway that was alot of fun.
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You can also effect your turn in faster/slower with a geometrey change.
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You can also effect your turn in faster/slower with a geometrey change.
Very true........my R1 and my ZX10 both handled better (for me) after changing the geometry. And it doesn't take much.....

And I will add, trust in the person setting up your suspension, if you don't have faith in the person/people doing the setup you'll be chasing your tail.

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