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Old 07-09-2008, 04:07 PM   #21
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Well i can say i have an BMC air filter power commander and went down 1 in front and 2 up in the back made a world of difference in drivability throttle response and actually got better gas mileage by leaning out the lower power band that usually runs rich. Will be getting a TRE soon.I will spend less than that pipe cost and get more performance out of my bike than that pipe will give you. Bought power commander already mapped and used.
You can download a map from Dynojet for free. There are other brands that make products similar to the PCIII like Bazzaz and 2 Brothers. And Bazzaz has recently added a traction control module that can be hooked up to their juice box.
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Well i can say i have an BMC air filter power commander and went down 1 in front and 2 up in the back made a world of difference in drivability throttle response and actually got better gas mileage by leaning out the lower power band that usually runs rich. Will be getting a TRE soon.I will spend less than that pipe cost and get more performance out of my bike than that pipe will give you. Bought power commander already mapped and used.
One down in the front and two up in the back is huge. I'm curious if you would have noticed a change with just the PCM and BMC. I'd doubt it.

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You can download a map from Dynojet for free. There are other brands that make products similar to the PCIII like Bazzaz and 2 Brothers. And Bazzaz has recently added a traction control module that can be hooked up to their juice box.
Was at the track last Monday and two kids (young pro-racers) were running the bazzaz traction control. Pretty awesome. You can definitely hear it.

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Old 07-09-2008, 04:11 PM   #24
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One down in the front and two up in the back is huge. I'm curious if you would have noticed a change with just the PCM and BMC. I'd doubt it.

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Probably not. Especially since the gain is usually found moslty on the top end, and I'm not sure how much riding he is doing at WOT.

Curt, you might have.
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im soon going to order the PC111.

def spend the money on dyno tuning it, plug and play is rediculous

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im soon going to order the PC111.

def spend the money on dyno tuning it, plug and play is rediculous

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Hooli, If you are going to do that, make sure you have pretty much everything you want done to the bike on it. Filter, gearing, exhaust, ect... so you only have to pay for the custom map once.
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I noticed a little more sound with the BMC not really performance but with the power commander notice a big difference on the mid and top end.
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One down in the front and two up in the back is huge. I'm curious if you would have noticed a change with just the PCM and BMC. I'd doubt it.

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Did the sprocket change last. Wanted a little more power down low. Gets up to speed way quicker now.
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Hooli, If you are going to do that, make sure you have pretty much everything you want done to the bike on it. Filter, gearing, exhaust, ect... so you only have to pay for the custom map once.
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Since I did the -1 on the front at the same time as the PCM, I have no idea what gains came from just the PCM. The only reason I did the PCM was for the quick shifter anyway, had to pick up the ignition module as well.

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Since I did the -1 on the front at the same time as the PCM, I have no idea what gains came from just the PCM. The only reason I did the PCM was for the quick shifter anyway, had to pick up the ignition module as well.

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The ignition module should have given you a HP gain as well.
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A custom map is the only way to go... No one bike is alike. Ever play with the software? you can adjust for individual banks etc... there is alot of play in the system. That's like saying my grey hound will run just as fast as yours, cuz it's a grey hound... Nada...

So dyno it or get by w a custom map...
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If you're considering it, a pc3 with custom map is the only way to go. It's not about the hp numbers, it's about the final rideability. TRUST me! Once you've ridden your bike mapped properly, you'll not want to go back. It makes the bike's delivery "fluid" (I call it "electric bike" after").

As far as the "make sure you have all your mods done" ... bs. If your tuner's good, only minor adjustments will be necessary after you change later.
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If you're considering it, a pc3 with custom map is the only way to go. It's not about the hp numbers, it's about the final rideability. TRUST me! Once you've ridden your bike mapped properly, you'll not want to go back. It makes the bike's delivery "fluid" (I call it "electric bike" after").

As far as the "make sure you have all your mods done" ... bs. If your tuner's good, only minor adjustments will be necessary after you change later.
So you your tech dynos it for free? It costs $$ just to get it looked at minor or not, that was all I meant. And yes, throttle and power delivery are much smoother with a custom map.
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If you're paying 1100 for a full exhaust, 300 for a PCMIII, might as well pay 30 for a filter or 110 for stacks before you spend that wasted money on another dyno day... Add for labor if you need to and u cut some of the hours down too... not everyone is comfortable touching their bike so labor plays into the sum as well.
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So you your tech dynos it for free? It costs $$ just to get it looked at minor or not, that was all I meant. And yes, throttle and power delivery are much smoother with a custom map.
The smoothness and delivery should WAY exceed the accent everyone puts on final hp numbers.

Bottom line. It is worth the $$. Just as suspension setups are worth the money. If you gain 10 lbs, you should re-set your sag. If you take a big , you should re-set your sag. It's the same thing.
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The smoothness and delivery should WAY exceed the accent everyone puts on final hp numbers.

Bottom line. It is worth the $$. Just as suspension setups are worth the money. If you gain 10 lbs, you should re-set your sag. If you take a big , you should re-set your sag. It's the same thing.

Yep I agree. What I meant by getting everything done 1st was, if you add a different filter, or change your sproket size after you dyno and map your pcIII, theoritically you would need to redyno and adjust your map, so get it all done then go get your stuff fine tuned on the dyno. Do you not agree?
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Yep I agree. What I meant by getting everything done 1st was, if you add a different filter, or change your sproket size after you dyno and map your pcIII, theoritically you would need to redyno and adjust your map, so get it all done then go get your stuff fine tuned on the dyno. Do you not agree?
Nope, I agree. It is funner, however, to argue pointlessly at another's expense. Thanks.

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if u get a full system and want its full potential and dont care about spending some extra dough then ya

3-400 for pc3
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for an extra 5hp.
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if u get a full system and want its full potential and dont care about spending some extra dough then ya

3-400 for pc3
and 3-400 for a custom tune

for an extra 5hp.
If you paid 4 hundy for a dyno tune you got ripped. 100 for mine.

275 for the pcIII

I got 10 hp
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