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Old 07-08-2008, 11:21 AM   #21
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I thought it was a better article than many others I have read.
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Old 07-08-2008, 11:23 AM   #22
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Broussard, who does not ride sport bikes, said responsible motorcyclists call those types of riders squids, which is derived from the words “squirrelly” and “kid.”

In the study, the most common factors cited for fatal crashes on supersports bikes and sport bikes were driver error and speed. Speed was cited in 57 percent of fatal crashes on supersports bikes and 46 percent of fatalities on sport bikes. In contrast, speed was cited in 27 percent of fatal crashes on cruiser motorcycles and 22 percent of fatal crashes on touring motorcycles.



I agree
Yea, the harley riders just ride right off the road on a turn doing 40mph.
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"What they question is whether the type of motorcycle Futrell was on and Varnado’s relative lack of experience on it might have played a role in the crash, said her father, Aubrey Futrell."

“Kids don’t understand how dangerous and unforgiving these (sport) bikes are,” he said. “It’s not a safe bike in my opinion to be on.”

"...A popular choice for younger motorcycle riders because of their cheap price relative to their high performance, sport bikes usually produce more horsepower per pound than other motorcycles."

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The bike is not the dangerous thing - they seem to do quite well on the track in a professional's hands... it's the lack of training, experience and age that make a very good tool a very dangerous potential in the wrong hands.

The same goes for a hammer - dangerous in my 6-yr old's hands, but an important tool in mine....

In other words, it's the person who is dangerous, not the tool.
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Old 07-08-2008, 02:53 PM   #25
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to a certain point, a heavy hammer is more danger and harder to control then a lighter hammer.
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I think a cruiser compared to a sportbike is more like a hammer being compared to a jackhammer.
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i'm glad that they at least said that a better solution than trying to get rid of the bikes themselves, or limiting them, would be to require more training for new riders.
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to a certain point, a heavy hammer is more danger and harder to control then a lighter hammer.
...in the wrong hands...

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"What they question is whether the type of motorcycle Futrell was on and Varnado’s relative lack of experience on it might have played a role in the crash, said her father, Aubrey Futrell."

“Kids don’t understand how dangerous and unforgiving these (sport) bikes are,” he said. “It’s not a safe bike in my opinion to be on.”

"...A popular choice for younger motorcycle riders because of their cheap price relative to their high performance, sport bikes usually produce more horsepower per pound than other motorcycles."

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The bike is not the dangerous thing - they seem to do quite well on the track in a professional's hands... it's the lack of training, experience and age that make a very good tool a very dangerous potential in the wrong hands.

The same goes for a hammer - dangerous in my 6-yr old's hands, but an important tool in mine....

In other words, it's the person who is dangerous, not the tool.
thats a verrrrrryyy good point.....get of the sportbike hatin band wagon guys.....we will never be able to tell young people with ego's to stop acting dumb....and thats alot of the problem....for the most part they are called accidents for a reason..otherwise they would be called murders and suicides.
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All the MSF training requirements in the world don't seem to stop 50% of the bikers I know anecdotally from lacking a motorcycle endorsement on the license... So what does that mean? More traffic enforcement for bikers to get unlicensed bikers off the road using huge fines and vehicle impoundments?

No one wants more traffic enforcement... What can we do to increase personal responsibility? More laws are obviously not the answer (actually new / additional legislation for most topics in my mind is contrary / detrimental to personal responsibility), but what is? People learn their own lessons in life, and often people learn from their mistakes. The real tragedies occur when someone else's screwup takes out your unsuspecting 19-year old daughter or some tries to kill herself by heading into oncoming traffic and ends up murdering a family of four or whatever and herself surviving. (rant there but true story).

Anyway, I don't know if we can do much better than to just encourage an attitude among bikers that being safe is being cool.b:
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Old 07-08-2008, 08:05 PM   #31
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All of this about sportbikes being more dangerous is BS....You can die just as fast on a cruiser...it's the rider,not the bike!!! Same as a gun...nothing happens unless u pull the phuckn trigger
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