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Old 07-04-2008, 01:15 PM   #1
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Question About Shifting

Hey guys, I'm still a rookie rider, and I'm hoping I can find some help on what I'm doing wrong..

a. when exactly do i know when i should upshift or downshift? it seems like when i cruise, i stay at about 7000-8000 rpm. it may be because the ninja is a highrevving bike. i know you should listen to the engine, that if you hear it scream, upshift. if you hear it lug, downshift. maybe someone explain in more detail what their routine is when knowing when to shift?

b. at times after i shift gears, slowly releasing the clutch while rolling the throttle, my bike lurches a bit when moving. is this normal? also when i am in, say, third gear, and i slow down a bit to make a turn, i clutch in slightly while easing on the brakes in order to do so. however, as i return to my original speed i release the clutch while rolling on the throttle a bit, and for some reason this causes the bike to spaz out. what am i doing wrong?

c. also, should i be staying in the same gear as i am turning? or should i downshift before turning?

my apologies for the lengthy message. i appreciate your help bro.

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Old 07-04-2008, 01:29 PM   #2
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Old 07-04-2008, 01:34 PM   #3
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Old 07-04-2008, 01:35 PM   #4
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I am also a rookie rider and one of the hardest things for me is getting used to the engine noise. Coming from a car I usually shift at around 4-5k rpm, which on my bike isnt even near the powerband, but its unnerving for me to run for long periods with the rpms above 5-6k. I'm getting used to higher rpms being normal and ok for the engine, but I'm still not totally comfortable with it.
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yall are thinking too much into it, our bikes are MEANT to be revved....


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why do use the clutch in a turn?
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Old 07-04-2008, 01:58 PM   #8
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what kinda bike u have?
i have a ninja 250r 2008. my main concern is the slight lurches after i shift and roll on the throttle..
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why do use the clutch in a turn?
i pull in the clutch a bit while braking to slow down before a turn. thats what i mean.. braking before a turn then rolling through the turn. isn't that right? or should i even bother with the clutch when slowing down for a turn?
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You shouldn't need the clutch, as long are you are in the right gear. Just roll off the throttle a little and brake some, then roll thru the turn.

The lurching you speak of sounds like more practice with shifting is needed.. is this your first manual transmission?
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You shouldn't be clutching before the turn unless you're downshifting. If you don't need to downshift, then just use your brakes to slow.

Btw, all of the questions you asked are covered during the Basic RiderCourse.

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Old 07-04-2008, 02:09 PM   #12
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Brake before the turn and down shift if necessary. Don't pull in the clutch while braking, instead only use the clutch when shifting.
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Instead of repeating take the MSF course or rag on the guy why dont a few of yall just answer his question? Don't use the clutch to slow you down that's why your bike has brakes. Also if you left off the gas when approaching a turn the bike's own engine will slow itself down some so you can save some of your brakes. Depending on how sharp the curve is you can just down shift before and then let that also slow you down, and then when you are through the turn you should already be in the right gear.
What do you mean by lurches? it jerks, it bogs down what?
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Instead of repeating take the MSF course or rag on the guy why dont a few of yall just answer his question?
Maybe I'm missing something, but it looks to me like both of us that asked about MSF DID answer his question first.
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Instead of repeating take the MSF course or rag on the guy why dont a few of yall just answer his question? Don't use the clutch to slow you down that's why your bike has brakes. Also if you left off the gas when approaching a turn the bike's own engine will slow itself down some so you can save some of your brakes. Depending on how sharp the curve is you can just down shift before and then let that also slow you down, and then when you are through the turn you should already be in the right gear.
What do you mean by lurches? it jerks, it bogs down what?
It's preferrable to avoid relying on engine braking (down shifting) to slow the bike on corner entry. Engine braking has the potential to cause the rear tire to lose traction, particularly since many bikes don't have a slipper clutch.
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MSF helped me even 2 years after already riding. It was proof that not everyone knows everything. If you slip the clutch on a turn you risk several issues. On that 250 you probably aren't taking turns at more than 65-70 max. Like was said before it takes practice. It is ok to be a squid as long as you are safe while learning.
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Where do you live? Maybe someone here with a little more experience can meet you at a parking lot and help with the basics. I know a couple people who did take MSF but still got a lot of helpful tips from just practicing in a parking lot with someone willing to take the time to pass on some knowledge.
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