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Old 07-02-2008, 12:05 PM   #21
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I know you said no vacuum methods, but a brake vacuum pump is seriously $20 from any parts store, never breaks, and does a better job. Spend the $20. Depending on the setup, you might not be able to bleed your system properly without it, and as far as I'm concerned its near impossible to properly bleed a hydraulic clutch without one.
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Old 07-02-2008, 12:14 PM   #22
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I know you said no vacuum methods, but a brake vacuum pump is seriously $20 from any parts store, never breaks, and does a better job. Spend the $20. Depending on the setup, you might not be able to bleed your system properly without it, and as far as I'm concerned its near impossible to properly bleed a hydraulic clutch without one.
He has one. It was $30 at autozone and $50 at NAPA.
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Old 07-02-2008, 12:22 PM   #23
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I like the vacuum for the initial bleed of the brakes and it's GREAT for replacing fluid. Subsequent minor bleeds, however, are better without it.
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I know you said no vacuum methods, but a brake vacuum pump is seriously $20 from any parts store, never breaks, and does a better job. Spend the $20. Depending on the setup, you might not be able to bleed your system properly without it, and as far as I'm concerned its near impossible to properly bleed a hydraulic clutch without one.
Really? Man i was thinking on bleeding my clutch, i've done the breaks without a pump with no problems, mmmmmm i may go and buy one then.
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Old 07-02-2008, 12:32 PM   #25
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ok call me an idiot, but hw do you bleed the master cylinder? I thought just bleeding them at the calipers did the trick
if you do not have a bleeder at the master cyclinder....you can relieve the air from the banjo bolt holding the brake line to the master cylinder. make sure you keep a rag wrapped around it though, it'll spray everywhere.
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Old 07-02-2008, 12:41 PM   #26
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I nearly never bleed my brakes between fluid changes. I change fluid once per season - and if I bleed them between annual changes (don't do it often enough to say for sure) it would not be more than once between changes. I put over 2000 track miles per year - no street miles on this bike. Brakes are stock except lines and fluid. I don't weigh 300, but about 240 in gear and it is a literbike. I have replaced pads numerous times in over 7000 track miles.
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I nearly never bleed my brakes between fluid changes. I change fluid once per season - and if I bleed them between annual changes (don't do it often enough to say for sure) it would not be more than once between changes. I put over 2000 track miles per year - no street miles on this bike. Brakes are stock except lines and fluid. I don't weigh 300, but about 240 in gear and it is a literbike. I have replaced pads numerous times in over 7000 track miles.
I was hoping somebody might say that, thanks Radar. Perhaps if I can get all the darn air out of the lines, I can keep a firm brake lever for more than just one track day.

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Old 07-02-2008, 12:58 PM   #28
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Curt - I have found that if I don't get all the air out after a fluid change, it (the air) will be easier to find and get out of the system out after an outing at the track - seems the use and vibration will cause it to work itself up, and normally comes out at the mastercyclinder with a "touch up" bleeding, and then I'm through with it. I do occasionally do the tie wrap trick (not real tight) not sure if it helps, but seems like it might a little (and it's cool looking in the shop).

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Old 07-02-2008, 01:12 PM   #29
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I'd like to know why there's so much brake bleeding during the season also??? With a stock set-up and even with SS lines I would bleed about every other TD and for race prep because of brake fad. With my current set up, I only bleed with pad changes and pre/post season ish.

Am I missing something?

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brakes ? who uses brakes ?
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Grinchy, you are the first motorcycle guy I've heard of that uses SRF. We use it extensively in the car world. I just switched over to it last weekend on the bike. The only downside is the darn price... $75 a quart. Ouch.
$75.00 a quart!! That better come with a ho.
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I'd like to know why there's so much brake bleeding during the season also??? With a stock set-up and even with SS lines I would bleed about every other TD and for race prep because of brake fad. With my current set up, I only bleed with pad changes and pre/post season ish.

Am I missing something?
I have a really low tolerance for a soft brake lever. I brake with my index and sometimes my middle finger as well. I HATE it when the lever touches my other knuckles towards the end of a session. When that happens, it's typically time to bleed again.
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Last time I bled them, I used a wet/dry vac for the master cylinder
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I like the vacuum for the initial bleed of the brakes and it's GREAT for replacing fluid. Subsequent minor bleeds, however, are better without it.
minor bleeds for me I JUST do the master cylinder.
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Old 07-02-2008, 07:14 PM   #35
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Im surprised no one said to tap the short "L" shaped hose between the fluid resevoir and the M/C. I always find one or two large air bubbles in there, especially after the ziptie trick overnight.
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