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Old 07-04-2008, 05:54 PM   #441
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I understand speeding and everything. I like to do like 80-90 through the forest when posteds are 55-60 but seriously....****, WTF?
Possibly the rubber band effect. Rider up front might be running the pace at 70-75, but as riders in the group slow down for turns and speed up through exits, the back of the group gets spread out farther and eventually have to "catch up" at triple-digit speeds to get the pack back together. It's especially common in larger groups.

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we had a few w low mileage on their bikes that were practicing corners for first time. Im proud of them and the individual time I spent with them throughout the ride there(front group 3) and back(u know who u r, awesome job...). They had a great time, riding at their pace, their comfort. 3090 is a no-joke road; also a great one to learn on w enough patience, restraint and considerate riders around you.
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Old 07-04-2008, 05:55 PM   #442
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And I might add that perhaps even a more baby duckling group needs to be in place for absolute group noobs that are still getting their feet wet. Even the posted warning speed on a curve can be too much for them.
Good point; three weeks ago the one whom went down was first curve, one day old bike, honey egypt(miles from the forest.) But that was unknown.

When we got hits from low post counts we checked intro forums to see how much experience they had. Some may cringe if I say how much experience one had... but Im proud of him. We PMed then texted and I ensured he could ride at highway speeds and take corners to what I considered a desireable degree before I was pleased to invite him. And the ride from Spring to the 290 meet was perfect cuz I evalutated the whole way. That was the best I could do as a leader of the third group; try to discern and watch for what I can.


Like I say, before I get off my soap box: we do really care for everyone that rides with us. And there is so much fellowship and experience and plain ol' fun that these rides can offer. I remember a certain someone on a 600 now but she started on a 250 and was scared to death she wouldnt keep up but never got out of a pack cuz we always accomidated her and others. She hadn't missed a ride(that I'm aware of.)

Im off my soap box... sorry for writing so much... my fellow Bros and Sis' on here are family when we share the adventure of two wheels together.
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It's all speeding.. and you are just as dead at 80 as 150..
I disagree, there's a reason none of the folks in the slower groups died when they had their mishaps. Had one of the guys in the fast group gone off-roading, it would have been a totally different story.
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that guy was in a single vehicle accident. he didnt take anyone out. there were no other bikes around him or any off riders for that matter.

remember there where two guys in the second group that went down on 3090. he is one of them
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The unfortunate truth about publically posted group rides is that you will get a potpourri mix of riders and skills.

The bigger the group, the greater the spread between can and cannot. And the fact is, all you can do is ask people to be honest and pick the spot they feel that they can handle. More often than not that changes as the day goes on.

No one wants to go in the beginner group.. that ego thing. But it really behooves you to be honest with yourself, because the leaders and sweepers really, really, REALLY want you to have a good time and go home in the same shape you came out in. No one will think less of you; actually we'll be proud to have you along.

Trust me.. when you are leading and someone goes down, you do a lot of soul searching and "what if" questions... even when they admit they messed up. That's the nature of the beast.

All those that have never set up or lead a group ride feel free to sit on the sidelines and toss stones. We'll still welcome you to come out anytime.
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+1 to Cali for mentioning the troops. If it wasn't for them, wouldn't be celebrating today!

First off, props to Joe for putting together a great ride! IMO he did everything right (except the directions mishap)

I was behind the guy that went down in the intermediate group. IMO he should have been in the 3rd group and he wasn't the only one riding with us that I think should have been in the 3rd group.
Guys, leave your egos at home and ride to your ability. When you push beyond your ability to keep up with the guy in front of you, not only are you putting your life at risk but your now risking my life and the guy behind me and the guy behind him and so on. Follow the rules of the ride. Nuf said.
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I disagree, there's a reason none of the folks in the slower groups died when they had their mishaps. Had one of the guys in the fast group gone off-roading, it would have been a totally different story.
I will almost guarantee that those went down were going much slower than that.. with the possible exception of the one that wadded up in the Forest on his own, at his own pace.
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All those that have never set up or lead a group ride feel free to sit on the sidelines and toss stones. We'll still welcome you to come out anytime.
I've participated in rides, led rides, etc. However, I feel that my previous ride experience holds no importance when questioning why people are cruising at speeds of 150+ in a ride with 10+ people.

Just because someone didn't participate in this ride(for reasons that were obvious after the ride report for why I didn't go) doesn't mean they are new to the scene
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The unfortunate truth about publically posted group rides is that you will get a potpourri mix of riders and skills.

No one wants to go in the beginner group.. that ego thing.
At Yankees I called the Forest Rides a 'HighSchool' w the jocks up front and chess club in the rear


Check your ego at the door. A busa is leading the Last group and there are no chicken strips and I dont mind dropping a knee. I dont wanna hear excuses, I want people to have fun period.
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Sqeeky I hear ya on the rubber band thing, but I specifically put out that we wait for everyone, so there is no need to ride out of your limits. It just boils down to wrist control. People get out on 149, which is pretty f ing strait, and just go at it, uneeded. I was leading at a comfortable pace. Some of the group stopped for gas or something, with the sweeper. It shouldn't have happened, since I told everyone to top off at the NW meet spot. The had a sweeper and we waited for them at the railroad tracks. There simply was no hurry. Then the group got split due to the incident in the forest. Some went on to Anderson, and that is where I assume the DVL Racer quote comes from. They went off on their own without me leading, so again personal restraint would have been key. But to each their own... They are adults with bikes and licences to ride them. I set a pace, it is up to them to abide by it.
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I will almost guarantee that those went down were going much slower than that.. with the possible exception of the one that wadded up in the Forest on his own, at his own pace.
Okay, but I think you missed the point. What I said was in direct response to what I quoted from you.
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All in all though, I had a great ride.

Thanks again Joe for putting it on, and thanks to all the leaders and sweepers for making this ride possible.

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remember there where two guys in the second group that went down on 3090. he is one of them
where was the other guy that went down? the guy in that pic was alone and i stopped at his accident after leaving yankees.
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Id ride w DVLracer anytime. He is a very considerate rider and I recall once we were riding back from a meet and greet and he decided to check out earlier then originally planned on the free way. We waved and took off. He called and appologized for leaving early. He is a very considerate and safe rider. Both pluses in my book.
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Some went on to Anderson, and that is where I assume the DVL Racer quote comes from. They went off on their own without me leading, so again personal restraint would have been key. But to each their own...
Don't assume, I pointed out the thread it came from. In the thread he clearly states he was one of the guys riding with the fast group. Nothing against you Tiatool, I've heard nothing but good things about your rides and your ability to organize & lead them. I just can't understand why someone would even want to do 150+ on a backroad like that, especially for extended periods of time.
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it's thanks to guys like caligonetx, tiatool, maxgs, brooklyn, hooligan, cdill, kdub and several others that I've grown as much as I have as a rider in such a short time. they put together some great rides and really show the noobs some how it's done out there and give as many tips as one can think of before the ride even begins.

they've always kept the pace at appropriate speeds; but there are always people who feel the need to prove just how fast they can go and that's not something the leaders/sweepers can control.

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I've participated in rides, led rides, etc. However, I feel that my previous ride experience holds no importance when questioning why people are cruising at speeds of 150+ in a ride with 10+ people.

Just because someone didn't participate in this ride(for reasons that were obvious after the ride report for why I didn't go) doesn't mean they are new to the scene
Not gonna argue semantics. Hitting 150 and cruising at that speed are entirely different things. I can get to over 160 and back down in under a mile or so from a stop; ain't nothing to come off a corner at 80-90 and twist the wrist a bit for the next straight. Not my style, but since the majority are adults, if they choose to take off and do that on their own, that is up to them.
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Id ride w DVLracer anytime. He is a very considerate rider and I recall once we were riding back from a meet and greet and he decided to check out earlier then originally planned on the free way. We waved and took off. He called and appologized for leaving early. He is a very considerate and safe rider. Both pluses in my book.
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The unfortunate truth about publically posted group rides is that you will get a potpourri mix of riders and skills.

The bigger the group, the greater the spread between can and cannot. And the fact is, all you can do is ask people to be honest and pick the spot they feel that they can handle. More often than not that changes as the day goes on.

No one wants to go in the beginner group.. that ego thing. But it really behooves you to be honest with yourself, because the leaders and sweepers really, really, REALLY want you to have a good time and go home in the same shape you came out in. No one will think less of you; actually we'll be proud to have you along.

Trust me.. when you are leading and someone goes down, you do a lot of soul searching and "what if" questions... even when they admit they messed up. That's the nature of the beast.

All those that have never set up or lead a group ride feel free to sit on the sidelines and toss stones. We'll still welcome you to come out anytime.
Well said. That is almost exactly word for word what I said at the group meeting as far as choosing which group you would fit into. When I got to Yankees I was very disapointed in the incidents on the way over. It is basically a matter of #'s. No matter how careful you think you are, how many responsible leaders and sweepers, people still go down. Things just happen on two wheels.
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yeah tiatool , i personally believe your organizing and leading was top notch and i'm sure everyone agrees - with this many riders stuffs going to happen,,, btw I had a blast today and can't wait for the next forest ride!
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