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Tiered Licensing: FULL tiered licensing requiring start on 250 or below. 14 33.33%
Tiered Licensing: Partial tiered, preventing only 1000cc bike purchase for first year 9 21.43%
Tiered Licensing: NONE, America's free to choose asphalts natural selection if they so choose 12 28.57%
Training: Weeks of training and tough requirements for full endorsement 4 9.52%
Training: REQUIRED MSF course for 2 days and license approval 19 45.24%
Training: None 5 11.90%
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Old 06-30-2008, 07:57 AM   #21
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There isn't even a mandatory or state-funded driver's ed. There's no way in this country will ever have state funded MSF. Especially considering that the MSF is privately funded, non-governmental organization.
Several states already do. Pennsylvania is one of them
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Old 06-30-2008, 08:26 AM   #23
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until they do the same for cars... i'm against it... there is no reason someone can;t go out and buy a 1000 if that same 16 year old, with eneough money, could go buy a zo6 vette. IF it's going to be limited, it shouldn't be by size, it should be all vehicles on a power to weight ratio thing
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Old 06-30-2008, 08:30 AM   #24
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There isn't even a mandatory or state-funded driver's ed. There's no way in this country will ever have state funded MSF. Especially considering that the MSF is privately funded, non-governmental organization.

I wouldn't have a problem with tiered licensing, but I think they should be tiered with age as well as experience. A teenager has to start on a 250 or smaller, but if you're 21 you can start on a 600. I realize that age isn't a replacement for experience, but this is America where we buy what we want. Not letting a grown man buy an R bike would effectively destroy the market here for us.
very good point. We aren't eurpoe which operates completely different. I mean in some of the european countries, you can't modify exhaust etc unless its an approved modification or in some not at all. Its pretty intense. The difference is also, how many in the US use their bike as their only transportation vs european riders? You know it's a different mentality. The majority of riders in US are luxury riders. They ride for the joy of it, not because its their only transportation. Different mentality and as such different market.
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Old 06-30-2008, 08:37 AM   #25
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until they do the same for cars... i'm against it... there is no reason someone can;t go out and buy a 1000 if that same 16 year old, with eneough money, could go buy a zo6 vette. IF it's going to be limited, it shouldn't be by size, it should be all vehicles on a power to weight ratio thing
My wife is socioligist, one semester to graduation. She's really good at this stuff and we were talking. She agreed. Its just not something that would work without a major fight in the US. The mentality is "Don't mess with me, i'm showing I'm a man, and tough and getting a bike" last thing a guy wants regulated.

And I agree with the car statement. Where does the tiered structuring stop? We can argue its different for bikes, which it is, but in legal practice? It doesn't make since giving a 16 year old a corvette, since in liklihood, he's more likely to hurt someone ELSE, vs a 16 year old on a bike is more likely statistically to hurt himself. So if we take tiered to bikes, then it might end up being a slipperly slope after all.
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