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Tiered Licensing: FULL tiered licensing requiring start on 250 or below. 14 33.33%
Tiered Licensing: Partial tiered, preventing only 1000cc bike purchase for first year 9 21.43%
Tiered Licensing: NONE, America's free to choose asphalts natural selection if they so choose 12 28.57%
Training: Weeks of training and tough requirements for full endorsement 4 9.52%
Training: REQUIRED MSF course for 2 days and license approval 19 45.24%
Training: None 5 11.90%
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Old 06-29-2008, 07:14 PM   #1
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Discussion Regarding Tiered Licensing in US

Since some of have mentioned in the thread I started on REQUIRING helmet and full gear the tiered licensing structure, I'd like to take your opinions on this now.


Would you support a tiered licensing structer and tougher licensing requirements think it beneficial for our overall motorcycling community in the US? If so, explain your details.


1. Keep it like you are proposing this to someone who doesn't ride, like a friend, or government leader. Don't assume they ride. Why would you support this and explain it to the visitors?

2. Keep it professional, no flaming.

3. DETAILS on what kind of tiered structer and length for each level you'd want.


(by tiered I'm meaning requiring starting on a 125cc, or 250cc and then after a year moving up to 500-600, and then a year later etc, something else. That kind of thing)
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geez, then move on. you don't have to partipate in a discussion about this, but I'm sure there are plenty of us newer to the motorcycle community etc that would benefit from seeing others point of view.
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then what option would you suggest, the discussion is for intelligent posting regarding your point of view, so i'd like to here it. I'm open for learning.
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kinda a complicated issue. here in the US we don't get to have a lot of the cool smaller cc bikes that are available in the rest of the world. So if they were to implement a tier system they would need to let a bigger variety of bikes to be sold in the US. personally I don't care for a tiered system... I prefer to badger people to death about wearing gear so we don't have the system inflicted upon us.
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great point. Right now manufacturer's in the US devote their energy to the 600-1000cc class primarily since it is the biggest money maker and market. If the 250 was required, every sportbike rider would either be pretty much on the ninja 250 or other manufacturer's would need to bring out diverse competition efforts to avoid Kawasaki to have close to a monopoly.
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i'd love to see a vfr400 come to the states.
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Will it happen? Likely not. Look at license restrictions for minors... There is a limit of time unless... You're coming from work, returning home, running erran for disabled parental figure... I had my ex wife's daughter's friend simply give a random reason and told to 'go home.'

This is America and if they have the money, a salesman somewhere will sell them what they want.
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I think if the manufacturs sold some cooler small cc bikes it would be possible but they figure why only get 3-4 thousand out of the new rider when "he just has to have a 600 or hes not cool"
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I think if the manufacturs sold some cooler small cc bikes it would be possible but they figure why only get 3-4 thousand out of the new rider when "he just has to have a 600 or hes not cool"
that is the pesky cultural thing again. The same image that there are sertain bikes that are taboo for younger guys to be on. The same one that forbids harley owners from wearing full faced helmets.
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then what option would you suggest, the discussion is for intelligent posting regarding your point of view, so i'd like to here it. I'm open for learning.
Mandatory MSF, state funded, for new licensees and out of state transfers with less than 3 or 5 years experience.

Tiered licensing for new licensees and those under 18 years:
  • 500cc or less and less than 80HP for 1st 2 years
  • Mandatory helmet for graduated licenees (actually I would vote for all, but would compromise)
  • No riding between 11:00PM and 6:00AM
  • Moving violation restarts the 2 yr limited license period
Fully open after 2 years and 18 or older

I think 250cc limitation is too small for US roads
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There isn't even a mandatory or state-funded driver's ed. There's no way in this country will ever have state funded MSF. Especially considering that the MSF is privately funded, non-governmental organization.

I wouldn't have a problem with tiered licensing, but I think they should be tiered with age as well as experience. A teenager has to start on a 250 or smaller, but if you're 21 you can start on a 600. I realize that age isn't a replacement for experience, but this is America where we buy what we want. Not letting a grown man buy an R bike would effectively destroy the market here for us.
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