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Old 06-25-2008, 09:52 PM   #1
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Alstare Suzuki debuts biofuel GSX-R 1000 Superstock racer

Team Alstare Suzuki presented an E85-fueled GSX-R 1000 race bike at Monza. While it's unclear how the team (who won both the Superbike and Superstock races) plans to use the fuel in their race program, the point is to demonstrate its viability and move towards it being approved for race use. Some high-performance cars, like the Koenigsegg CCXR are able to make more power using biofuel than they are with regular gasoline. If the same can be made true for bike engines, expect to see plenty of teams make the switch once the rules allow it.

also : http://www.worldsbk.com/pubb_EN/news_ext.php?id=2280
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Old 06-25-2008, 09:58 PM   #2
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Ok, interesting concept. But will it take? Biofuel in Diesels is possible due to larger injectors and don't clog due to direct injection or short port heat. Will be interesting to see this progress...

A program was made for turbine-powered electric car for the Formula circuit but it never ran. Deemed unfair for the other racers. I didn't get the specifics out of the show that was debuting it, but I guess it started out on electrical(no trans needed) and the turbine began spinning and would recharge the batteries(left side fairing.)
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i know alot of wrx guys want to run e85 because you can pull more timing and handle more boost so it may be a good thing its just the size of the injectors have to be huge
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i know alot of wrx guys want to run e85 because you can pull more timing and handle more boost so it may be a good thing its just the size of the injectors have to be huge
I know the Fi mustang guys love the stuff, with the right tune you can add a lot of power. It's basically subsidized race fuel
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Old 06-26-2008, 05:51 AM   #5
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So is the point about going green or producing more power?

The footprint of any series is much bigger than the bikes (cars, trucks, lawnmowers, etc) being raced. RVs for the racers, trucks/planes for logistical moves and all the other miscellaneous equipment, produce more greenhouse gases than all the bikes in the series combined.

Interesting factoid that biofuel can produce more HP and good that any factory is exploring race use - hopefully that will keep the treehuggers at bay for a while.
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E85 can produce more total power because its octane is normally around 100 depending on the octane of the 15% gasoline. However, it requires significantly more fuel to make this power so its not all that interesting from an efficiency standpoint.


Secondly, depending on the source of the ethanol, E85 is a dumbshit idea. Here in the states we use corn to make ethanol. The process is inefficient, releases lots of greenhouse gases, requires additional natural resource input (natural gas) to produce, and uses a FOOD crop to do it. Not the brightest. They use sugar can in Brazil and thats a much much better deal.
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E85 can produce more total power because its octane is normally around 100 depending on the octane of the 15% gasoline. However, it requires significantly more fuel to make this power so its not all that interesting from an efficiency standpoint.


Secondly, depending on the source of the ethanol, E85 is a dumbshit idea. Here in the states we use corn to make ethanol. The process is inefficient, releases lots of greenhouse gases, requires additional natural resource input (natural gas) to produce, and uses a FOOD crop to do it. Not the brightest. They use sugar can in Brazil and thats a much much better deal.
E85 is a General Motors engineered scam to make their company appear to be making strides toward emissions standards. Besides the information in your post, Iíll add that its regional solution to a global problem designed to allow one auto maker to meet emissions standards in the US. Any auto maker spending any money trying to identify a real solution to the problem is not even considering E85 as a potential solution. Yet GM continues to produce more gas guzzling SUZ's than the big three Japanese manufactures combined that leverage this technology. Well this week the rubber will meet the road for them, as they announce stopping production in their plants, stating sagging SUV sales are to blame. Their decision to leverage E85 as their Green solution and not do a diligent job of putting platforms into their pipeline that leverages a proven Green solution, will impact all US citizens in the time to come. They need to gut that company from the top down, today. IMHO
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E85 is a General Motors engineered scam to make their company appear to be making strides toward emissions standards. Besides the information in your post, Iíll add that its regional solution to a global problem designed to allow one auto maker to meet emissions standards in the US. Any auto maker spending any money trying to identify a real solution to the problem is not even considering E85 as a potential solution. Yet GM continues to produce more gas guzzling SUZ's than the big three Japanese manufactures combined that leverage this technology. Well this week the rubber will meet the road for them, as they announce stopping production in their plants, stating sagging SUV sales are to blame. Their decision to leverage E85 as their Green solution and not do a diligent job of putting platforms into their pipeline that leverages a proven Green solution, will impact all US citizens in the time to come. They need to gut that company from the top down, today. IMHO
Harsh. I personally think they did a good job with their displacement on demand technology.
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