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Old 06-25-2008, 08:15 PM   #1
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Honda to put ABS and fly-by-wire braking system on new CBR

not sure if this is a repost..

Very interesting to say the least

Source: http://www.autoblog.com/2008/06/14/h...s-on-cbr600rr/

Honda testing ABS brakes on CBR600RR


Posted Jun 14th 2008 11:39AM by Jeremy Korzeniewski
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Many motorcycles in today's market feature anti-lock brakes, including models from Honda like the Interceptor and Silverwing scooters. Now, though, the red-winged manufacturer of motorcycles has announced a new system which completely removes the rider's direct connection with the front and rear brakes. Instead of a cable connection, the system uses brake-by-wire technology and allows an on-board computer to apply pressure to both the front and rear brakes as it sees fit. This new system is expected to debut on sportbikes first, which raises some eyebrows in the cycle-riding community. The highest performing bikes have ridiculously powerful brakes which are capable of locking up the front tire very easily. Still, hardcore riders have proven very reluctant to give up any control to computers, especially on race tracks, where supersport bikes are expected to thrive. Being Honda, though, there is a prevailing sense that the technology will work. Expect the new combined ABS system to proliferate to all of Honda's two-wheelers in the near future.

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Honda Announces World's First Electronically-Controlled 'Combined ABS' for Super Sport Bikes

Honda has announced the world's first electronically-controlled "Combined ABS" for Super Sport motorcycles, aimed at combining ABS and CBS systems into one system that applies the basic advantages of both, while specifically addressing the requirements of a Super Sport context.

In order to achieve this, the particular characteristics of Super Sport bikes, such as short wheelbase, are taken into account. The system also operates without interference to sports riding, and with an emphasis on maintaining full rider control.

The system consists of an electronically controlled combined "brake by wire" system with an innovative stroke simulator. Direct motor control ensures precise operation of the ABS. The components are divided into several smaller units so there are more, but smaller units than in previous systems.

The system's effectiveness is due to four main factors:

1. Electronic control of the CBS, allowing more advanced control of brake force. This provides a more sensitive distribution of brake force over both wheels.

2. Measurement of rider input force on each lever. The ideal brake force on both wheels is generated accordingly, providing optimum distribution and minimising vehicle body reaction.

3. An "ABS modulator" which ensures late triggering of ABS, and smooth ABS intervention.

4. Small size meaning that the system's components can be well integrated in the motorcycle's package. Thus mass-centralisation, a key feature for Super Sport bikes, is supported.

All the basic ABS and CBS functions are provided, including the prevention of wheel lock, improved balance and easy operation. This is achieved without any compromise to stability during ABS operation. Pitching is minimised so that the bike keeps its normal position. Overall, sport riding performance is uninterrupted - cornering feel remains the same and controllability is enhanced.
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:34 PM   #2
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Honda is always messing with their braking systems. Does anybody remember "linked braking?" IMO I wouldn't want ABS. One of the things I like most about bikes are how simple they are/should/could be. With all these newfangled electronics it is going to be impossible to work on your bike in your garage. Also, I would kind of want ME to control how much brake I am applying not some computer module that is thinking for me.
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for some reason i feel a little uncomfortable about being "disconnected" from my brakes
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Old 06-25-2008, 11:00 PM   #4
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Yami's FBW throttle system is one thing, if it goes wrong you can always just pull in the clutch and shut the bike off. FBW braking.........now that is a leap of faith for even a die hard Honda guy like me to swallow. I'll wait for the third generation of that one at least.
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seems like it would be easy enough to put a standard master cylinder/lines/calipers on there if you wanted to get rid of it...

FBW brakes kinda scare me too, kind like FBW steering on cars...
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Honda is always messing with their braking systems. Does anybody remember "linked braking?" IMO I wouldn't want ABS. One of the things I like most about bikes are how simple they are/should/could be. With all these newfangled electronics it is going to be impossible to work on your bike in your garage. Also, I would kind of want ME to control how much brake I am applying not some computer module that is thinking for me.
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I don't like this idea at all. I have that linked on my goldwing too and I hate it. I can't lock the back brake without effecting my front brake. I like skidding sometimes it's fun it is another part of riding I like.

I want control of my brakes not some mechanism. Sometimes I hate freak'n technology. Sheesh. Why not just a have a dang robot computer drive the thing for you and we can all just sit there on the bike and ride .
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I don't like being disconnected from my brakes either. I understand moving forward with technology, but when a fuse blows or connection issue with ignition or throttle (like some yami's have), it won't go and worst case you will have to coast down from your current speed. If that were to happen with brakes, it could be a major disaster.

Brakes have always been something I check and double check. Having something that won't start or go is an inconvenience. Having something that won't stop is deadly!
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Heck I don't like fly by wire either. I mean if I am doing 120mph wheelie I don't want some computer holding the throttle wide open.

I hope susuki don't ever do any this . Sheesh use the R & D to make the bike faster, lighter and corner better. I could care less about gimmiks.
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I don't like this idea at all. I have that linked on my goldwing too and I hate it. I can't lock the back brake without effecting my front brake. I like skidding sometimes it's fun it is another part of riding I like.

I want control of my brakes not some mechanism. Sometimes I hate freak'n technology. Sheesh. Why not just a have a dang robot computer drive the thing for you and we can all just sit there on the bike and ride .
my wing had integrated brakes I like linked much better and I didn't know they put them on the goldwings I may have to take another look.
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my wing had integrated brakes I like linked much better and I didn't know they put them on the goldwings I may have to take another look.
Can't slide the rear and freak out harleys though.
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Why do you think it won't happen?
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Too hard to do ABS without sacrifice feel.
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