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Old 06-25-2008, 07:19 AM   #1
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Timing Eliminator / Gixxer K8

Anybody using a TRE on an '07 or '08 gixxer 1000? I'm interested in opinions regarding the impact on the bike on the top end.

Also, seems that if you have the ignition module on a PowerCommander, one ought to be able to accomplish the same result. Anybody done this?

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Old 06-25-2008, 07:32 AM   #2
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The ignition module doesn't know what gear you're in, so if you compensate for the timing in 6th it'll also apply the increase everywhere else.

A TRE typically fools the bike into thinking it's in 5th all of the time so that the ECU runs that timing map vs the retarded 6th gear map.

I have not installed a TRE on an '07-'08 GSXR1000 yet, but have on many other Suzuki fuel injected bikes that have 1st and 6th gear timing retarded maps and have mostly had good results.

It will however disable your OEM gear position indicator.

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Like Patrick said, the TRE just tells the ECU the bike is in fifth. The less expensive units will make the gear indicator always say 5th too. However, I believe there's one unit on the market that preserves the gear indicator.
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Old 06-25-2008, 07:38 AM   #4
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I haven't found one yet, but I have used this alternative:

http://www.gi-pro.net/

It's a good product, I've got it on my SV and have installed in on numerous customer bikes.
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Old 06-25-2008, 07:39 AM   #5
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Have it on the busa Curt, its the 1-2-3-4-5-5 change. There are ways on my bike to remove the 6th gear sensor. I dont have a factory gear selector but the GiPro offers a replacement gear indicator. I have never had problems with it regardless of the threads started on other sites about possible no starts.
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Old 06-25-2008, 07:42 AM   #6
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Patrick, so after talking to some folks about being down on power, it seems that there are a couple of factors. First, the speedometers are all optimistic by 8% sometimes as high as 12%. My problem was exacerbated because I was running a 190/55. So just going to the speedo healer had a dramatic impact on my indicated speed. It's been suggested that I'm probably going faster than I was before, it's just indicating accurately now.

Does that sound reasonable or BS?

Second, is the timing . Do the racers all run TREs??

Thanks for the pointer on the Ivans Performance site.

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Old 06-25-2008, 07:51 AM   #7
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Patrick, so after talking to some folks about being down on power, it seems that there are a couple of factors. First, the speedometers are all optimistic by 8% sometimes as high as 12%. My problem was exacerbated because I was running a 190/55. So just going to the speedo healer had a dramatic impact on my indicated speed. It's been suggested that I'm probably going faster than I was before, it's just indicating accurately now.

Does that sound reasonable or BS?

Second, is the timing . Do the racers all run TREs??

Thanks for the pointer on the Ivans Performance site.

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Very true, most bikes stock read 8% or more high, add to that factors such a gearing changes and taller tires and it can really mess things up.

I'll have to ask Brandon if he remembers what percentage yours was out when he calibrated the Speedo Healer.

As far as roadracing, a lot of guys on Suzukis run the TRE and a lot don't.

It's one of those subjects that's definitely polarizing.


On the flip side of the coin, most of the guys I'm familiar with that drag race or run top speed DO use the TRE.
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Old 06-25-2008, 07:55 AM   #8
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heres a thought...

instead of bolting every aftermarket thang u can find to ur bike. why dont you just spend that $$$ on tires & trackdays learning how to actually ride the bike. cause trust me... u will never be able to ride that 1k anywhere to its full potenetial in stock trim. my 2 cents
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Old 06-25-2008, 07:59 AM   #9
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heres a thought...

instead of bolting every aftermarket thang u can find to ur bike. why dont you just spend that $$$ on tires & trackdays learning how to actually ride the bike. cause trust me... u will never be able to ride that 1k anywhere to its full potenetial in stock trim. my 2 cents
Because mods are half the hobby for some...
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heres a thought...

instead of bolting every aftermarket thang u can find to ur bike. why dont you just spend that $$$ on tires & trackdays learning how to actually ride the bike. cause trust me... u will never be able to ride that 1k anywhere to its full potenetial in stock trim. my 2 cents
Been through seven sets of race tires since November and probably logged 2000 track miles. I'm well down the learning curve. I've still done zero horsepower mods. I'm 6'6" and 295 pounds so as far as "u will never be able to ride that 1K anywhere near it's potential..." Bullshit, Jody. Let's strap 150 pounds to your and see how well you manage that bike on stock suspension and brakes.

I've been down this road in cars before, so I've focused on what was important.... Suspension and brakes. Did racing pads immediately. Did the Ohlins in mid December and, at the same time stainless lines.

The front suspension wasn't right after the first time around, I continued to bottom the forks. So this latest round was to go up one on the fork springs. And, Brembo 19/18 since I continued to get fluid fade towards the latter sessions.

About the only marginally needed add ons were the following. First, the Quick shifter. It's fantastic - however, the bigger change was moving to gp shift. Had I done that first, I might not have done the quick shifter. Of course the quick shifter required the power commander and ignition module.
Second, Pazzos because they look cool. And lastly going -1 on the front sprocket which I did predominately for MSR-H gearing. I did the speedo healer at the same time for obvious reasons. Prior to the gearing change, would just get to the top of third gear/bottom of fourth at MSR-H.
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Been through seven sets of race tires since November and probably logged 2000 track miles. I'm well down the learning curve. I've still done zero horsepower mods. I'm 6'6" and 295 pounds so as far as "u will never be able to ride that 1K anywhere near it's potential..." Bullshit, Jody. Let's strap 150 pounds to your and see how well you manage that bike on stock suspension and brakes.

I've been down this road in cars before, so I've focused on what was important.... Suspension and brakes. Did racing pads immediately. Did the Ohlins in mid December and, at the same time stainless lines.

The front suspension wasn't right after the first time around, I continued to bottom the forks. So this latest round was to go up one on the fork springs. And, Brembo 19/18 since I continued to get fluid fade towards the latter sessions.

About the only marginally needed add ons were the following. First, the Quick shifter. It's fantastic - however, the bigger change was moving to gp shift. Had I done that first, I might not have done the quick shifter. Of course the quick shifter required the power commander and ignition module.
Second, Pazzos because they look cool. And lastly going -1 on the front sprocket which I did predominately for MSR-H gearing. I did the speedo healer at the same time for obvious reasons. Prior to the gearing change, would just get to the top of third gear/bottom of fourth at MSR-H.

i wasnt talkin about suspension hot-rod... i was talkin about all that supposedly go fast bullshit u be boltin on ur sled. BOLT AWAY big guy ! ur my hero

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Very true, most bikes stock read 8% or more high, add to that factors such a gearing changes and taller tires and it can really mess things up.

I'll have to ask Brandon if he remembers what percentage yours was out when he calibrated the Speedo Healer.

As far as roadracing, a lot of guys on Suzukis run the TRE and a lot don't.

It's one of those subjects that's definitely polarizing.


On the flip side of the coin, most of the guys I'm familiar with that drag race or run top speed DO use the TRE.
When I think about the behaviour I'm seeing on the bike, it does seem to be more of a sixth gear issue. Shifting at redline in fifth to sixth gear, the bike just doesn't accelerate worth a . Of course, I'll never have that problem on a racetrack....
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i wasnt talkin about suspension hot-rod... i was talkin about all that supposedly go fast bullshit u be boltin on ur sled. BOLT AWAY big guy ! ur my hero
*uck off, Hudson. No go fast stuff on the bike yet. Still have stock exhaust, airfilter, etc.
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*uck off, Hudson. No go fast stuff on the bike yet. Still have stock exhaust, airfilter, etc.
! i just love hostility in the mornin !!!!!!

i love u too max
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When I think about the behaviour I'm seeing on the bike, it does seem to be more of a sixth gear issue. Shifting at redline in fifth to sixth gear, the bike just doesn't accelerate worth a . Of course, I'll never have that problem on a racetrack....
Many, perhaps most bikes 6th gear are disproportionately taller than 1-5. Not a true overdrive but close so acceleration in 6th is reduced. Lots of bikes can never reach redline in 6th with stock gearing.
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I haven't found one yet, but I have used this alternative:

http://www.gi-pro.net/

It's a good product, I've got it on my SV and have installed in on numerous customer bikes.
I have been looking into that. I wanted a gear indicator and heard that those have a built in TRE. Not bad considering some gear indicators cost just the same, might as well get the one with the TRE.
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I haven't found one yet, but I have used this alternative:

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It's a good product, I've got it on my SV and have installed in on numerous customer bikes.
did this make a noticable difference on the SV? I've got one for my SV that I haven't installed yet
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