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Old 06-23-2008, 07:19 AM   #1
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tiered licensing, coming to a state near YOU!

Starting July 8, 2008 Utah will be using a tiered licensing system for motorcycle endorsements.

* If a rider tests on a 90cc or less motorcycle or scooter they will be restricted to 90cc or less.
* If a rider tests on a 249cc or less motorcycle or scooter they will be restricted to 249cc or less.
* If a rider tests on a 649cc or less motorcycle or scooter they will be restricted to 649cc or less.
* If a rider tests on a motorcycle or scooter larger than 650cc they will be allowed to ride any motorcycle or scooter.

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Old 06-23-2008, 07:25 AM   #2
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Now everyone is going to try to take the test on busas and zx14

So what happens if you take your msf? Your limited to whatever size you use there?
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So I take it everybody will be taking the tests on ninja 650s and sv's and just step "down" to a 600 ss bike?

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Seems like a dumb way to implement it. Think people will skip smaller bikes and go right to the mid/larger bikes so that they don't get restricted licenses and have to retest to move uo. May have the affect of putting more noobs out on bigger bikes.

Just my initial thoughts
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Thats the way it is done in Germany. They actually do it by age. At age 15 or 16 your only allowed to ride 100 cc's or less. Then as you get older they can rider larger scooters and motorcycles. Not sure about the rest of Europe.

They may have changed it in the last 10 years since I have lived there.
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that isn't really a tiered system. nothing there to prevent noobs from riding a big bike.
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that isn't really a tiered system. nothing there to prevent noobs from riding a big bike.


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Bad application of a good concept.
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not a great idea in my opinion....
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yup. good idea, bad implementation.

I say before they get to worrying about tiered licenses for motorcycles, they should start having tiered licenses for big trucks/SUVs. I say have different liceses for vehicles that are taller, wider, longer or heavier than a preestablished number.
I have nothing against people driving big cars, it should be their choice, but I do believe that they should have to prove their ability to handle the extra dimensions first.
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yup. good idea, bad implementation.

I say before they get to worrying about tiered licenses for motorcycles, they should start having tiered licenses for big trucks/SUVs. I say have different liceses for vehicles that are taller, wider, longer or heavier than a preestablished number.
I have nothing against people driving big cars, it should be their choice, but I do believe that they should have to prove their ability to handle the extra dimensions first.
yes, like parallel parking... if that can't parallel park a smart car, she shouldn't be driving an H2

on topic, let's just hope that the other states don't pass a similar law before actually thinking about the loopholes
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yup. good idea, bad implementation.

I say before they get to worrying about tiered licenses for motorcycles, they should start having tiered licenses for big trucks/SUVs. I say have different liceses for vehicles that are taller, wider, longer or heavier than a preestablished number.
I have nothing against people driving big cars, it should be their choice, but I do believe that they should have to prove their ability to handle the extra dimensions first.

From my limited knowledge of their system, I would say that the europeans/UK has a good method. Base the CC graduation on age. Step them up slowly.
, if they did that we'd get cool little bikes here in the state, like the Yammie R125.
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yup. good idea, bad implementation.

I say before they get to worrying about tiered licenses for motorcycles, they should start having tiered licenses for big trucks/SUVs. I say have different liceses for vehicles that are taller, wider, longer or heavier than a preestablished number.
I have nothing against people driving big cars, it should be their choice, but I do believe that they should have to prove their ability to handle the extra dimensions first.
i think they should do it based on hp, not on size. id be more worried about little johnny in the trans am than eddie in the 'burban.
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Just my initial thoughts
Agreed. What do you expect from Utah? :/:
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Starting July 8, 2008 Utah will be using a tiered licensing system for motorcycle endorsements.
  • If a rider tests on a 90cc or less motorcycle or scooter they will be restricted to 90cc or less.
  • If a rider tests on a 249cc or less motorcycle or scooter they will be restricted to 249cc or less.
  • If a rider tests on a 649cc or less motorcycle or scooter they will be restricted to 649cc or less.
  • If a rider tests on a motorcycle or scooter larger than 650cc they will be allowed to ride any motorcycle or scooter.
If you take a motorcycle safety class on a 250cc, successful completion will waive the riding part of the license test for an up to 649cc endorsement. To get an endorsement for motorcycles above 649cc you must use your larger motorcycle in our class. To use your bike in our class you must have a permit, registration, and insurance.

If you currently ride a motorcycle over 649cc you may also obtain a skill test waiver by successfully completing our License Waiver Experienced Rider Course (ERC). The cost for this 5 hour course is $85.
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From my limited knowledge of their system, I would say that the europeans/UK has a good method. Base the CC graduation on age. Step them up slowly.
, if they did that we'd get cool little bikes here in the state, like the Yammie R125.
In Germany, there is also a performance ratio included into the entire tiered system.

Well, Utah's system needs some improvement if they want to do it right but who ever says that laws are done right?
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Starting July 8, 2008 Utah will be using a tiered licensing system for motorcycle endorsements.
  • If a rider tests on a 90cc or less motorcycle or scooter they will be restricted to 90cc or less.
  • If a rider tests on a 249cc or less motorcycle or scooter they will be restricted to 249cc or less.
  • If a rider tests on a 649cc or less motorcycle or scooter they will be restricted to 649cc or less.
  • If a rider tests on a motorcycle or scooter larger than 650cc they will be allowed to ride any motorcycle or scooter.
If you take a motorcycle safety class on a 250cc, successful completion will waive the riding part of the license test for an up to 649cc endorsement. To get an endorsement for motorcycles above 649cc you must use your larger motorcycle in our class. To use your bike in our class you must have a permit, registration, and insurance.

If you currently ride a motorcycle over 649cc you may also obtain a skill test waiver by successfully completing our License Waiver Experienced Rider Course (ERC). The cost for this 5 hour course is $85.
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