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Old 06-22-2008, 08:57 PM   #101
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I saw this while sweeping during the SSB rides, group grew bigger and bigger, new riders, new bikes, guys running in a 'spirited' manner up front... Folks in the middle trying to keep up... For a while there it seemed like we had someone go down every weekend we went out...

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Someone asked me for my 2 cents on this matter. So here they are dont believe everyone. Some will leave you in a ditch it has happened as early as today. So I think you should add a rule if the cops show up or you just see a cop all rules do not apply. Make sure you leave your riders stranded in a ditch where they could have died.

Now does that sound logical. I personally dont care if you have been riding for 2 minutes or 45 years you never leave a rider behind even if it means you get a ticket go to jail. Life is worth more than some petty ticket. Some of the riders have lost the "brotherhood" motto. I have been riding along time and i have lost brothers.
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Old 06-22-2008, 09:47 PM   #103
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I've seen riders leave an accident scene because they had warrants or no license. I make a note to not invite them anymore, because I agree, that is chickenshit to leave someone down, even if not hurt.
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Someone asked me for my 2 cents on this matter. So here they are dont believe everyone. Some will leave you in a ditch it has happened as early as today. So I think you should add a rule if the cops show up or you just see a cop all rules do not apply. Make sure you leave your riders stranded in a ditch where they could have died.

Now does that sound logical. I personally dont care if you have been riding for 2 minutes or 45 years you never leave a rider behind even if it means you get a ticket go to jail. Life is worth more than some petty ticket. Some of the riders have lost the "brotherhood" motto. I have been riding along time and i have lost brothers.
i take it you are talking about today (not at forest)
with a completely different group

so what happens if you dont see him go down, if everybody splits and goes there own way??
is it really smart to run from cops in one big group?? jw
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Well can debate all you want (which i am not by the way) but there was no cop at the time he went down he was there. The guy he was following had to know he went down you can here it. I have been riding for 30 years and yes you can here someone go down behind you. And to answer your other question it is stupid to run from the cops.
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Well can debate all you want (which i am not by the way) but there was no cop at the time he went down he was there. The guy he was following had to know he went down you can here it. I have been riding for 30 years and yes you can here someone go down behind you. And to answer your other question it is stupid to run from the cops.
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i have had 2 or 3 people go down behind me on backroads
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just happen to look in my mirror and see others slowing down
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Wow, I'm surprised where this thread has gone! The guy who went down on Sat had the bike a whole day (yes, he had just bought it the day before). He evidently went straight off of the road...didn't even try to take the easy curve on Honea Egypt. Obviously he was way in over his head.

I understand why you would want to take the rides to invite only. It does seem to be a sad thing to do. How will the newer guys get better if they don't have help from the veteran riders? One way is going to the track, but there are so many people that don't spend the effort/money to go.

I guess I need to learn the route and lead some not quite so fast guys.

I had a lot of fun with hooligan et al on Sat! I was riding slower since I haven't memorized the roads. The guy on the Honda 599 and I were haulin enough for our level .
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Wow, I'm surprised where this thread has gone! The guy who went down on Sat had the bike a whole day (yes, he had just bought it the day before). He evidently went straight off of the road...didn't even try to take the easy curve on Honea Egypt. Obviously he was way in over his head.

I understand why you would want to take the rides to invite only. It does seem to be a sad thing to do. How will the newer guys get better if they don't have help from the veteran riders? One way is going to the track, but there are so many people that don't spend the effort/money to go.

I guess I need to learn the route and lead some not quite so fast guys.

I had a lot of fun with hooligan et al on Sat! I was riding slower since I haven't memorized the roads. The guy on the Honda 599 and I were haulin enough for our level .
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Given enough time and money, I am afraid so. Welcome to todays sue happy world.
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That begs the question; Whether you agree that you're responsible or not, as one of a groups leaders of an openly promoted ride, could you be held liable?
I see waivers were signed before, but has anyone actually lost in court, or even got to that point? I would think those suits are frivolous at best.
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fine....I've gone on 1 forest ride and plan to go back b/c it was a blast...I'll PM one of ya'll when I can get away from the Fam for a ride
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Deja vu.

Anyone remember Thorn? After that ride my street group dwindled to nothing.

After Matt I said no mas to the Houston area streets and almost all street riding all together.

be safe out there guys it's your responsibility to know your limits IMO the leader has a little to do with it but al in all it's your problem.
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I have been the leader on a couple rides where someone has gone down... I do not feel reponsible for that. every ride i'm on, it is said to ride at a speed that is comfortable to you. I know that only i am responsible for my throttle, if i don't want to keep up or don't feel safe doing so, i don't. it is not my fault that someone behind me goes down. the leader cannot always ride at the pace of the worst rider... one rider that went down, went down at a corner where the speed limit on the road was 45... there is no reason he should have been doing 85 before the corner. it was his choice to break the speed limit. that same person, limped the bike back to the gas station and fell over in the parking lot when he hit his front brake. how can the leader be responsible for that?
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it is not my fault that someone behind me goes down. the leader cannot always ride at the pace of the worst rider.. one rider that went down, went down at a corner where the speed limit on the road was 45... there is no reason he should have been doing 85 before the corner.


How fast was the rest of the group going through the corner???


IMO 20 something kids and under are going to try and keep up regardless of the ride "your own pace" statements.. A more experienced rider will ride his own pace he/she generally know exactly what that is.. That leaves a newb who started on the streets of Houston... Havening no clue! our streets are not exactly the best training ground for learning corners!
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IMO 20 something kids and under are going to try and keep up regardless of the ride "your own pace" statements.. A more experienced rider will ride his own pace he/she generally know exactly what that is.. That leaves a newb who started on the streets of Houston... Havening no clue! our streets are not exactly the best training ground for learning corners!
I'm not sure... i was going over 45 though... but i was WAY in front of him... there was 30 something people on that ride. I said, i'm just going to show you guys a fun road... and i'm not going to fly through it either... We later found out that he had barely over 200 miles riding experience. Last time i checked, It is nobody's responsibility to check the others skill level, i'm not mom. I had never met the kid, and the friends that told him about the ride should have paid more attention to him. If i have a freinds on the ride , i ride to their ability... or what i think it is if I am leading.

the kid fell over in the parking lot as the gas station when he hit his front brakes... there is no amount of anything that I could do for that kid as the group's leader at the time...

that is a fine example of why noobs need to be on a 250... had it been a bigger bike, he probably would have been going faster
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I'm not sure... i was going over 45 though... but i was WAY in front of him... there was 30 something people on that ride. I said, i'm just going to show you guys a fun road... and i'm not going to fly through it either... We later found out that he had barely over 200 miles riding experience. Last time i checked, It is nobody's responsibility to check the others skill level, i'm not mom. I had never met the kid, and the friends that told him about the ride should have paid more attention to him. If i have a freinds on the ride , i ride to their ability... or what i think it is if I am leading.
Agreed. We put together a "public" ride for all comers to attend. I wish we could pass out a questionare before the ride, but even then how can we police newbs? The fellow who went down on Saturday had prior experience, but had not been on a bike for a few years. He would have passed a class M drivers test. He could stop, start, and turn. His cousin was right behind him, and like I said before at the back of the pack.
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Agreed. We put together a "public" ride for all comers to attend. I wish we could pass out a questionare before the ride, but even then how can we police newbs? The fellow who went down on Saturday had prior experience, but had not been on a bike for a few years. He would have passed a class M drivers test. He could stop, start, and turn. His cousin was right behind him, and like I said before at the back of the pack.
i would look at it like at the track... if you want help, ask for it. if you don't ask for it... nobody may be watching to give you advice. if you show up on a bike, it is assumed that you know your limits... you did just ride on the streets to get to the meet without killing yourself
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I have been the leader on a couple rides where someone has gone down... I do not feel reponsible for that. every ride i'm on, it is said to ride at a speed that is comfortable to you. I know that only i am responsible for my throttle, if i don't want to keep up or don't feel safe doing so, i don't. it is not my fault that someone behind me goes down. the leader cannot always ride at the pace of the worst rider... one rider that went down, went down at a corner where the speed limit on the road was 45... there is no reason he should have been doing 85 before the corner. it was his choice to break the speed limit. that same person, limped the bike back to the gas station and fell over in the parking lot when he hit his front brake. how can the leader be responsible for that?

You must be speaking of something different this is not what happened on Sunday
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I'm not sure... i was going over 45 though... but i was WAY in front of him... there was 30 something people on that ride. I said, i'm just going to show you guys a fun road... and i'm not going to fly through it either... We later found out that he had barely over 200 miles riding experience. Last time i checked, It is nobody's responsibility to check the others skill level, i'm not mom. I had never met the kid, and the friends that told him about the ride should have paid more attention to him. If i have a freinds on the ride , i ride to their ability... or what i think it is if I am leading.

the kid fell over in the parking lot as the gas station when he hit his front brakes... there is no amount of anything that I could do for that kid as the group's leader at the time...

that is a fine example of why noobs need to be on a 250... had it been a bigger bike, he probably would have been going faster

Definetly different than what jet is talking about the rider had 28k on his 6th bike. He was not in the forest. It was 390 and some street
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