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Old 06-22-2008, 08:28 PM   #81
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How about meeting us at MSR Houston? We can have a safe, spirited ride.
yeah but it would be my first trackday on the bike :/: .....so you would probally smoke me on your bike, no lie. and I have nothin to prove either so i dont know why you callin me out to a track either (even tho it is the safest racing to do). I feel like you thought i was threatin you or questionin your speed, i simply was not. I have never rode with yall so just wanna meet new people and have a fun safe ride with not alot of people. But if you need to call people out on the board and think you need to race them to prove your a man then have it, It will simply roll off my shoulder but again i might have misinterpeted your sarcastic post. maybe you were actually bein a nice guy and really interested in me comin to the track???? thats for you to decide which one it was
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Then you'll have threads like these, rider's down, and rip threads.:/:
Hence the reason I set a speed limit.. even a 250 will do 90-100 in a straight, and more often than not, less.

I learned a long, long time ago going 150 every straight doesn't prove anything, when you slow down to 60 for the next turn. I'd much rather run 80 and relax and enjoy the view, and not slow down for the turn.
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And what do you propose?

As was already stated; If you're publicly setting up a ride and you know there's going to be a wide spectrum of experience, ride within the limits of the group.
If you want to go out and play racer boy, to invite newbs to come along is foolhardy.

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You thought it shook you up to see someone you knew go down at the track, wait till you're in the middle of nowhere with multiple people down and looking for a place for life flight to land. :/:

You don't have to agree with me or any of the other experienced riders posting up, but understand, we don't have to share your views either, and there's no reason to take it personally.
I've already stated my proposal. Ride within your limits or stay home. I'm not taking any of this personally. Even when you call me "bud" or "racer boy" or insinuate that I'm not part of the group of "experienced riders" . Noob on a racetrack doesn't mean noob on a bike; I've been riding for 25 years.

I do not agree that the "leader" has the personal responsibility to ensure everybody makes it home safely. If I go down, it sure as heck won't be the leaders fault unless I'm foolish enough to follow him/her off a cliff.
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If you mistook my useage of those words I apologize.

On this subject let's just agree to disagree.
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maxgs^^^^but you have been riding for 25 years....maybe different story for someone that has been riding for 2 weeks....but Im goin out with Patrick on this one. agree to disagree....lets just have fun and be safe. Im done on this thread lol my fingers hurt.....hope to see yall out riding and let me know if anybody comes up this way.......seeya
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I've already stated my proposal. Ride within your limits or stay home. I'm not taking any of this personally. Even when you call me "bud" or "racer boy" or insinuate that I'm not part of the group of "experienced riders" . Noob on a racetrack doesn't mean noob on a bike; I've been riding for 25 years.

I do not agree that the "leader" has the personal responsibility to ensure everybody makes it home safely. If I go down, it sure as heck won't be the leaders fault unless I'm foolish enough to follow him/her off a cliff.
oh curt you know your invincible. this guys has skills haha
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maxgs^^^^but you have been riding for 25 years....maybe different story for someone that has been riding for 2 weeks....but Im goin out with Patrick on this one. agree to disagree....lets just have fun and be safe. Im done on this thread lol my fingers hurt.....hope to see yall out riding and let me know if anybody comes up this way.......seeya
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^^^^ maxgs lol I believe what they meant.....was to notice on the ride who is lagging behind and see who the newest rider is which is very obvious to see, and then stick with them and their pace. If I remember right I believe I read this in a motorcycle Safety book, that the newest riders are suppose to be right behind the leader, since the leader is suppose to be the most experienced but at the same time the most cautious. That way they are right there in the pact and you dont have the whole group passing them or outrunning themI might be wrong on that one tho. But I could have swore I read that. Hey Max and hooligan and tia, since I havent rode with ya'll I would like to get together and ride down 149 on a spirited ride and see what ya'll are all about, Sounds like it could be really fun. Maybe take ya'll down some roads that only somebody from that road would know lol and I'm fat so we would have to stop and grab something to eat lol If so let me know when and what time? sounds like ablast
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yeah but it would be my first trackday on the bike .....so you would probally smoke me on your bike, no lie. and I have nothin to prove either so i dont know why you callin me out to a track either (even tho it is the safest racing to do). I feel like you thought i was threatin you or questionin your speed, i simply was not. I have never rode with yall so just wanna meet new people and have a fun safe ride with not alot of people. But if you need to call people out on the board and think you need to race them to prove your a man then have it, It will simply roll off my shoulder but again i might have misinterpeted your sarcastic post. maybe you were actually bein a nice guy and really interested in me comin to the track???? thats for you to decide which one it was
If you are going to determine "what I'm all about", I'd rather it be in the safe environment of the racetrack.
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I do not agree that the "leader" has the personal responsibility to ensure everybody makes it home safely. If I go down, it sure as heck won't be the leaders fault unless I'm foolish enough to follow him/her off a cliff.
Well, we'll agree to disagree on that point as well. If I set up a ride and invite people to come out, and lead them down the road, I feel it IS my responsibilty to get them all home or to the end of the ride in the same shape they came out in. And make sure they have as much fun along the way as I can.
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Well, we'll agree to disagree on that point as well. If I set up a ride and invite people to come out, and lead them down the road, I feel it IS my responsibilty to get them all home or to the end of the ride in the same shape they came out in. And make sure they have as much fun along the way as I can.
Wonderful. Have you already retained legal council?
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Excellent idea! Dragging knees and triple digits on a track are the perfect deal, not in the Forest.
yuup thats extremely dangerous, but trackdays are $170
that gets expensive every weekend

but honestly, i dont go that fast
there are a couple turns way out there i could prolly drag a knee, but those are posted 15mph and you can only hit them at about 20 anyway

btw your signature is a guy dragging knee on a public road lol
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Sad to say, but one group ride had to resort to signing a waiver, due to a couple fallen riders threatening law suits.
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yuup thats extremely dangerous, but trackdays are $170
that gets expensive every weekend

but honestly, i dont go that fast
there are a couple turns way out there i could prolly drag a knee, but those are posted 15mph and you can only hit them at about 20 anyway

btw your signature is a guy dragging knee on a public road lol
Not quite dragging a knee.. the guy on the Honda in front does, but the fat guy on the Bandit doesn't.... and in our defence that is a one way Park road....
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Sad to say, but one group ride had to resort to signing a waiver, due to a couple fallen riders threatening law suits.
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Also the reason why I keep the spirited rides to PM or email.
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That begs the question; Whether you agree that you're responsible or not, as one of a groups leaders of an openly promoted ride, could you be held liable?
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That begs the question; Whether you agree that you're responsible or not, as one of a groups leaders of an openly promoted ride, could you be held liable?
Given enough time and money, I am afraid so. Welcome to todays sue happy world.
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That begs the question; Whether you agree that you're responsible or not, as one of a groups leaders of an openly promoted ride, could you be held liable?
another reason why im not posting forest rides
could i be held responsible if someone goes down and gets badly injured or even dies??
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another reason why im not posting forest rides
could i be held responsible if someone goes down and gets badly injured or even dies??
Even if not legally, can you live with it, if your pace was the indirect cause? Hard question.

I remember a SMR a couple years back, when part of the group split off and went ahead at a faster pace. One guy ended up off the road into a metal gate and was tore up pretty bad. That one shook up a lot of people that were there, waiting on an ambulance. He was admitedly over his head, but no one knew at the time. Not being there I can't say there were signs earlier, but who knows.

But the law of averages always keeps up. When your group rides start having people go down often, sooner or later someone gets hurt bad. Better to take a step back and look at what is going on, before it happens.
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