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Old 06-22-2008, 05:57 PM   #41
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MAXGS^^^Yeah I believe it is the riders fault as well....but understand it this way...your new at riding and never been in the Forest (so your lost and dont know your way if you get left behind) so what are you goin to try and do? Your goin to try and keep up with the pack, the "fast" pack. Which causes you to crash. It goes both ways....ask all the leaders that have someone crash behind them cause they sped up and started to pull away!?!?! you'll be suprised
hmm havnt seen you at one of my forest rides.
as tiatool stated, we wait for everyone.
untill we see the sweeper and he gives the thumbs up,we wait
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all im saying is, i am no longer posting forest rides.
i am no longer "leader"
unless we (you know who you are) organize the ride via PM
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These rides are very well organised and informative. The group of people whom ride and lead care about safety, gear and bike conditions. All that said it is still an individual ride for each bike and things happen.

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Totally agreed....its a formula of both......It has happened, happening and will happen. Its the name of the game. All we can do is limit the chances of it happening.....if that means faster guys have they're own ride then I agree with that. But mixing "racers" and newbs in the forest doesnt match no matter how you look at it. Maybe if "racers" acted if they were total nembs again and rememeberd what it was like to be on your first rides with experienced riders. I think everybody when they go in the Forest with others, need to let go of that throttle alittle. I mean when I ride in groups i ride to 60-70% of my ability. Then when i wanna push it or wanna release some speed I go by MYSELF so I dont have to think about riders following me. Everybody just needs to give a little when in groups
I don't recall seeing you on one of the Saturday or Sunday Forest rides that were organized by Tiatool, Hooligan, etc. These rides have been well organized with both faster folks, and people who want to ride at a relaxed pace. There is no pressure to keep up. There is such a mixture of paces that nobody is being left behind or forced to ride at an uncomfortable pace... hence the role of the sweeper.

Not clear who you have been riding with, but it's not this group.

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yesterday was my 1st forest ride with these guys, and i'll have to say it was GREAT. i rode at my own pace, didn't get left behind. They did stop about every 45 min. or so just to regroup. Hooligan's group even had people that stopped, pulled over just to signal the new riders where to slow down. all in all, i say it was an excellent ride and very well organized.
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yesterday was my 1st forest ride with these guys, and i'll have to say it was GREAT. i rode at my own pace, didn't get left behind. They did stop about every 45 min. or so just to regroup. Hooligan's group even had people that stopped, pulled over just to signal the new riders where to slow down. all in all, i say it was an excellent ride and very well organized.
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You're right and wrong there bud.

I've been riding with groups off and on for almost 30 years.... I'll get off my soapbox now.
You of all people, Patrick, should appreciate that riders must be responsible for themselves. Or perhaps we need the government to step in and regulate this too, since the vocal minority seems to believe riders are so incapable of controlling their own actions. Viva Obama. Such a bunch of .

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You of all people, Patrick, should appreciate that riders must be responsible for themselves. Or perhaps we need the government to step in and regulate this too, since the vocal minority seems to believe riders are so incapable of controlling their own actions. Viva Obama. Such a bunch of .

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Curt,

I agree.

I firmly believe that more people should take personal responsibility these days and that quality is becoming increasingly rare.

And yes, ultimately the person responsible is the one twisting the throttle.

However, IF one is leading a ride, that person has some responsibility as well of doing everything within their ability to make sure that everyone comes home in one piece.

That includes setting the pace of the ride and controlling the size of it among other things.

Like I said, my 2 cents, YMMV.
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I don't recall seeing you on one of the Saturday or Sunday Forest rides that were organized by Tiatool, Hooligan, etc. These rides have been well organized with both faster folks, and people who want to ride at a relaxed pace. There is no pressure to keep up. There is such a mixture of paces that nobody is being left behind or forced to ride at an uncomfortable pace... hence the role of the sweeper.

Not clear who you have been riding with, but it's not this group.

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I've rode with them and they told me up front before the ride to ride at my own pace and tthat hey'd wait on me if needed. Good group to ride with IMO...

I agree - people need to take more responsibility for there own actions. Seems like nowdays, whatever goes wrong, people want to blame everyone but themsevles. :/:
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Curt,

I agree.

I firmly believe that more people should take personal responsibility these days and that quality is becoming increasingly rare.

And yes, ultimately the person responsible is the one twisting the throttle.

However, IF one is leading a ride, that person has some responsibility as well of doing everything within their ability to make sure that everyone comes home in one piece.

That includes setting the pace of the ride and controlling the size of it among other things.

Like I said, my 2 cents, YMMV.

true, thats why im not setting up these rides again.
truth is, i dont want to be held responsible for a crash
its not worth it
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And to address your other subject; as much as I HATE big government, I am a realist; if we don't police this ourselves, THEY will.:/:

Bu this is neither the forum or thread for this subject.
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When I started to really get into street riding under a year ago, I don't think I would ever had gotten a chance to ride the forest until someone posted a "forest" ride on the forum. Otherwise I pretty much didn't want to feel like a "burden" to any of my "regular" riding buddies who didn't want to make the ride out there for one reason or another. With time everything felt second nature. If it's not a controlled environment like having a formal setting/instructor environment like a track day or advanced MSF, you have to increase your risk/learning curve at some point or another. I would never hold anyone on a ride accountable after they repeatedly emphasize to ride at your own pace. I see it as an opportunity to learn more about your skills, at the same time trying to increase them. No doubt riders that frequently ride together on the same routes increase their own synergy as a group. But as a new rider, where or how else would you start to better your skills on the street? You have to venture out sooner or later.
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Not to flame you but you also have to realize you were a girl on a 250...of course they're not goin to leave you....that would make them feel really bad and look even worse. And i never said that they werent organized or never had a sweeper. But the sweeper or leader cant do anything about what happens in the middle when they are trying to keep up to the leader. Now if you were a guy on a gsxr 750 (just for example) your story might be a little more different. But again i could be wrong
being a girl on a 250 had nothing to do with it. I was able to maintain the middle of the pac on those rides. I just wanted to be sure to point out that these guys were always super informative. I don't want anyone on here to flame them because some one went down while on one of these rides.

in the forest, it doesn't matter the size of the group, but the size of the ego of the person on the bike. skill or no skill, experience or no experience, if you go out there feeling like you have something to prove, you're just asking for trouble. just my $.02
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hmm havnt seen you at one of my forest rides.
as tiatool stated, we wait for everyone.
untill we see the sweeper and he gives the thumbs up,we wait
No I dont believe I have been at one of your rides, thats why I said Im not tryin to flame...Im not pointing fingers either. All i said was your not the first group to have a leader, sweeper and wait for riders to catch up. I been on hundreds of rides like that. I even hosted one for about a year....and had once incident where a guy hit gravel. 1 year=1 incident pretty good in my book. All I was sayin that things happen no matter how you set it up or talk about it before heading out. All I was sayin is keep the racers and newbs seperate and if you believe someone cant handle your ride then dont ride with him. But dont try to recruit riders to the forest.... the forest is open to anyone and everybody
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I don't recall seeing you on one of the Saturday or Sunday Forest rides that were organized by Tiatool, Hooligan, etc. These rides have been well organized with both faster folks, and people who want to ride at a relaxed pace. There is no pressure to keep up. There is such a mixture of paces that nobody is being left behind or forced to ride at an uncomfortable pace... hence the role of the sweeper.

Not clear who you have been riding with, but it's not this group.

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and no like i said before I havent been on one of their rides and I'm not dissing them or their ride by no means. And no matter how much you say there is no pressure to keep up, thats easy to say with a liter bike. And you must have forgotten how it feels to be a newb. Just cause you believe that there is no pressure, your opinion is not the same as everybody else
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Hooligan's ride isn't safe, I've heard nothing but good about his forest rides.

I'm also not saying to not have group rides either.

I'm just saying that in my experience, it's a good idea to know everyones limits if possible, and ride within them, and also that when you have a smaller group it's easier to manage.

In my experience, much over 5-7 people and everyone gets spread out a bit too far, that's when it seems something happens, and that's why I understand why Hooligan is is taking the ride private.
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I was out there with her on her first ride. She did well. They had to wait on me once, and there was no complaining. I am a male and I ride a 750. Next.

I am not sure if I have meet u or not but maybe you should hit one of their rides before flaming. Very well put together and I felt safe the whole way. One guy did go down on our trip but it was 100% his fault. No one was pushing him to do what he did.....and he was not trying to keep up with anybody. Chit just happens and thats how most of us learn.
exactly....you were on a 750 and they still had to wait for you....kinda explains how they ride :/: and my other point is if it is done right they should stay together where you dont have to stop and wait on people....that hints the keepin up part. And if you read all my other previous posts you will see I said Im not tryin to Flame, point fingers or diss anyone or their rides. Stop tryin to come to conclusions. All I was tryin to do was post some wisdow wether taken or not.
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