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Old 06-22-2008, 12:49 AM   #21
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Why do u have a rule that says riding 2 up is discouraged?
Are u saying that because u are 2 up u don't ride as good as some that are alone?
I have logged a few thousand miles in the hill country, the dragon etc 2 up and even with a group am usually up towards the front. Cus your 2 up don't mean your slow.
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Old 06-22-2008, 12:52 AM   #22
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Why do u have a rule that says riding 2 up is discouraged?
Are u saying that because u are 2 up u don't ride as good as some that are alone?
I have logged a few thousand miles in the hill country, the dragon etc 2 up and even with a group am usually up towards the front. Cus your 2 up don't mean your slow.
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Not sure but I think his initial post was aimed at a SMR style ride, as opposed to all group rides.
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Old 06-22-2008, 12:56 AM   #23
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Why do u have a rule that says riding 2 up is discouraged?
Are u saying that because u are 2 up u don't ride as good as some that are alone?
I have logged a few thousand miles in the hill country, the dragon etc 2 up and even with a group am usually up towards the front. Cus your 2 up don't mean your slow.
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maybe his post has to do with a lot of passengers not knowing how to ride and affecting the rider too much.
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Old 06-22-2008, 01:12 AM   #24
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Not sure but I think his initial post was aimed at a SMR style ride, as opposed to all group rides.
Probably. I don't see too many cruisers doing wheelies.
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OK, I need some help here. First off, "discouraged" is the key word - we are not trying to forbid two up. Second, TexLurch is correct, this is targeting the sporting type of rides, not the cruises. What we are trying to avoid is having the noob riders with their girls dressed in a halter top, shorts, and flip flops on the back while the rider is hauling down back country roads.

How should that read?
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What we are trying to avoid is having the noob riders with their girls dressed in a halter top, shorts, and flip flops on the back while the rider is hauling down back country roads.
How often has that been an issue????
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Two up riders 'well equiped' for safety and ride within their and passenger's experience.

I have had my exgf on the Forest Ride and scared a few guys going into corners they weren't sure we were gonna come out of when we were comfortable with it.
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Stunting is NEVER ok on a group ride - unless your group is riding around parking lots all day since stunting should remain in the lots.
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I think the stunting thing should be addressed. People are adults and if they want to pop a wheelie every once in a while that is fine... as long as it is in the left hand lane away from the rest of the group.

Two up discouraged, but not forbidden is fine.

The leader and sweeper should already know the route and discuss any major corners and agree on stoping/signaling at major hazards i.e. squid falls.

There should be a desingnated go back and check on stragglers guy, if the sweeper doesn't appear in good time. Too many times there is a problem, and the group either gets held up or broken up because lack of communication between the front and the back. Like this saturday when we lost caligontex.

Good job Curt. Nice writeup.
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I think the stunting thing should be addressed. People are adults and if they want to pop a wheelie every once in a while that is fine... as long as it is in the left hand lane away from the rest of the group.

Two up discouraged, but not forbidden is fine.

The leader and sweeper should already know the route and discuss any major corners and agree on stoping/signaling at major hazards i.e. squid falls.

There should be a desingnated go back and check on stragglers guy, if the sweeper doesn't appear in good time. Too many times there is a problem, and the group either gets held up or broken up because lack of communication between the front and the back. Like this saturday when we lost caligontex.

Good job Curt. Nice writeup.
Pop a wheelie vs. Ride a wheelie, imo, are 2 different things. The wheel may go up, whether inadvertantly or as a reflex, but I still don't agree with riding out a wheelie, even if in the left hand lane.

I can understand how some may want flexibility, but it should be let known at the very beginning, so participants, or potential participants, can make their own decision as to join that ride or not. No different than when they specify it'll be a spirited pace vs. a moderate pace. I wouldn't be too distracted myself by it, but other less experienced riders may be, and they'll lose focus on the their job at hand, which is to focus on the road, be aware of their group, while not being distracted by some guy riding out a wheelie.

But as for my own personal opinion, it should not be allowed at all. if I did see that on a group ride I was in, I would opt out.

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Old 06-22-2008, 01:26 PM   #31
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Wheelies or any stunting for that matter should be address before kickstands up.
Allow or not allow and make sure everyone knows.

Before organizing a ride, it should be told if it is going to be a 2 up ride or not.

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All great points. I'll incorporate this into the next version.

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this is probebly the "most needed" thread on MH all year, good job curt.

100% agreed about what you stated.
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I think you can list out the basic group ride rules, as has already been done.

Then you need to break it down more specific to the type of ride.. not all rides are, or need to be out down the back roads.

And remember, no matter what, it's all been done before...
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I think you can list out the basic group ride rules, as has already been done.

Then you need to break it down more specific to the type of ride.. not all rides are, or need to be out down the back roads.

And remember, no matter what, it's all been done before...
If group ride rules have "all been done before", they sure are hard to find.
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we have this up already, including an article called "the pace" that addresses many if not all of these concerns.
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we have this up already, including an article called "the pace" that addresses many if not all of these concerns.
Hey TZ - I found "The Pace" and I agree that it's a great article. Where are the other group ride rules posted? Perhaps it ought to be stickied in the events forum under a more recognizable name.

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I'd have to look homie, I know it's here somewhere. at least it better be. that kinda info should be page 1 paragraph 1.
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I believe in every thing else you listed, great list....I believe you should just rethink or rewrite the two up post
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Hey TZ - I found "The Pace" and I agree that it's a great article. Where are the other group ride rules posted? Perhaps it ought to be stickied in the events forum under a more recognizable name.

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Stickied in the General Discussion section

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