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Old 06-21-2008, 06:57 PM   #1
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endurance racing

what is the most common weapon of choice for racing beginners?
trying to put a novice endurance team together and trying to figure out what the best bang for our buck would be.ninja250,SV650 or gsxr600.
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Bang for buck(by lightyears) = Ninja 250. But most dudes wee wee's are too small to ride one.

A set of tires will last several races if running an 07 or older, goes 2 hrs. on a tank of gas, parts are cheap.

SV650 will eat some $$$, compared to Ninjette, but not even close compared to a 600.
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+1 on Keith's comments.

For big bikes though, you can't beat the SV, it's like a sore peter.

For the 8 hour, we use 1 set of tires, 5.5 gallons of fuel, and split all the costs between 4 of us who ran ~1 hour stints.
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+1 on Keith's comments.

For big bikes though, you can't beat the SV, it's like a sore peter.

For the 8 hour, we use 1 set of tires, 5.5 gallons of fuel, and split all the costs between 4 of us who ran ~1 hour stints.

thats not bad split 4 ways.
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well another option is throwing a 450 engine in my NSR250.
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well another option is throwing a 450 engine in my NSR250.
Does the NSR have a 250 engine in it already?

Actually, I think running a single 450 would be a really, really, bad idea. Air cooled on big tracks? Recipe for disaster with endurance racing. Not to mention, you have to kill the engine every time you refuel. Can you imagine re-starting it each time?
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Old 06-21-2008, 07:23 PM   #7
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anyone running the kawy 650?
thats an inline twin right?
how does it compare?
just looking for options...
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i still have the 250 engine in it and it still runs,if i go that route,i will run it til it blows and then replace it.i was talking about a water cooled dirt bike 450 engine
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thats not bad split 4 ways.
We've won that class on a few occassions (individual races, not the overal), but our bike it built up a bit with 80+hp. We also have quite a bit of money in the suspension too.

However, I have seen plenty of folks podium on the SV with a stock engine, minor suspension work, miniscule bodywork (just an upper fairing and a legal belly pan), and some good tires.

Bridgestones on this bike work exceptionally well, and the GP250 slicks are the only tire on the grid in this class that finish the 8 hour with one set and don't have tire issues at the end. Our pace was just as quick in hour 8 as hour 1

The only race where we don't split 4 ways is the 4 hour at Cresson, and we run that with 2 people (with additional pit help).

Spares and the other equipment needed (EZ Ups, chairs, food, etc) is where it can be a little costly, but most of that is a one time cost.

To get started, you can't beat running an EX250 in the mini endurance. You'll certainly get your feet wet with the routine of endurance racing, and the pace is not as slow as you might imagine with those bikes.
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We've won that class on a few occassions (individual races, not the overal), but our bike it built up a bit with 80+hp. We also have quite a bit of money in the suspension too.

However, I have seen plenty of folks podium on the SV with a stock engine, minor suspension work, miniscule bodywork (just an upper fairing and a legal belly pan), and some good tires.

Bridgestones on this bike work exceptionally well, and the GP250 slicks are the only tire on the grid in this class that finish the 8 hour with one set and don't have tire issues at the end. Our pace was just as quick in hour 8 as hour 1

The only race where we don't split 4 ways is the 4 hour at Cresson, and we run that with 2 people (with additional pit help).

Spares and the other equipment needed (EZ Ups, chairs, food, etc) is where it can be a little costly, but most of that is a one time cost.

To get started, you can't beat running an EX250 in the mini endurance. You'll certainly get your feet wet with the routine of endurance racing, and the pace is not as slow as you might imagine with those bikes.
When I graduate I will definitely be looking into some sort of entry level competition. Not sure on what level though.
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anyone running the kawy 650?
thats an inline twin right?
how does it compare?
just looking for options...
Nobody around here runs them. The SV handles and performs better right out of the box. There are a few WERA endurance teams out there that run them, but the ones I've seen that are successful are nowhere close to stock. An SV can be much, much closer to stock and still be competitive.

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i still have the 250 engine in it and it still runs,if i go that route,i will run it til it blows and then replace it.i was talking about a water cooled dirt bike 450 engine
If you have a GP chassis with a 450, there aren't any mini classes you can race in, and the bike would not even be close to competitive with the big bikes. Not to mention, those engines really aren't designed (even the water cooled) to run endurance road races- it would be a big liability I think.

Would be fun to sprint though!

As far as the 250 engine goes, it's almost impossible to effectively run a 2 stroke with big bike endurance too.

For the money you'd spend to get your 250 modified or converted, you'll be able to build a much more competitive bike for less with the SV
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i would not mind running the 250 ninja,but the the guys whoa are looking to team up are 80 lbs lighter than me.
this being the case,i want a bike that has enough power to pull about as good with any of the riders on it.maybe a new 250ninja?
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i would not mind running the 250 ninja,but the the guys whoa are looking to team up are 80 lbs lighter than me.
this being the case,i want a bike that has enough power to pull about as good with any of the riders on it.maybe a new 250ninja?
Old or new Ninja will be just fine. The '08 only has a bit more power, and it really isn't too noticeable according to friends of mine who are racing them. PM Road & Track (Keith), he replied in this thread already. He races them and is a wealth of knowlege with this bike/ class.
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thats what i thought.
well looks like i'm in the market for an SV.
didnt you have one you were looking to sell?
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anyone running the kawy 650?
thats an inline twin right?
how does it compare?
just looking for options...
that bike is a
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thats what i thought.
well looks like i'm in the market for an SV.
didnt you have one you were looking to sell?
Nope, but they're all over the place. If you have the cash, and you're ready to move on one, I can find several that are race ready pretty easily.
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There is a race ready SV up at Motorcycles Unlimited... was looking at it today.
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wrong best bike ever

how many engines have you blown?
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how many engines have you blown?
All that proves is they don't like wheelies....
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