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Old 06-17-2008, 04:44 PM   #21
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LSTD can get you in with CMRA, and Buck (LMS) can get you in with CCS

My mock race was cool. Cant wait to go racing again!
I thought Buck could do CMRA too, but maybe I was wrong.
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Buck Races in CMRA still(I think) But as far as I know he can only get you into CCS
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uh, ok...so whats the difference with CCS and CMRA?
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Amateur Middleweight Grand Prix Pos Points Performance Index Name
1 70 1000.0 CHARLES SACKEY, HOUSTON, TX. Vortex
2 61 875.0 DUSTIN JOHNSON, ANGLETON, TX. Vortex,Vesrah,Powerstands,Dunlop,Hotbodi es,Stubbs Cycles,Texas track Days,Leo Vi
3 52 386.1 MATTHEW ALLEY, HOUSTON, TX. CMFR,Pirelli,Repsol,Vortex
4 35 1000.0 LARRY KARPINSKY JR, TOMS RIVER, NJ. New Jersey Iron,Teterboro RAMS,MWT Racin
5 35 1000.0 MIKE QUINN, ADDISON, TX. The Search Firm,My Wallet,Around The Blo ck Moving,DRQ Racing,McCartys Tavern,Bri
6 35 1000.0 DEREK STEPTOE, PEARLAND, TX. Longhorn Motorcycle School,South Central Race Center,Bridgestone,Grand Prix Moto
7 30 966.7 JAY SCOTT QUICK, DAYTONA BEACH, FL. Pirelli,Vortex,Sharkskinz,VP,Pitbull,Suo
8 30 875.0 JASON HANNING, ALVIN, TX. Longhorne Motorcycle School,Bridgestone, South Central Race Center,Grand Prix Mot
9 26 933.3 CHRISTOPHER MAHER, FEASTERVILLE, PA. The Bike Works,Dunlop,Vortex,ChickenHawk
10 26 333.3 CHRIS LASHLEY, WEST FORK, AR. South Central Race Center,Bridgestone,Ho tBodies
11 23 900.0 REESE WACKER, ORANGE PARK, FL. N Jax Suzuki,Vortex,Castrol,VP,Pirelli,P itBull,Vesrah
12 23 625.0 TERRENCE HURLEY, LAMAREUE, TX. Reliance Ford,Texas Yamah,Michelin,Parts Unlimited,VP,
13 21 866.7 JAMES EASLEY, MIDDLETOWN, DE. Speedwerks.com,Pirelli,Payless Car Renta l
14 21 500.0 CHRIS JUNEMANN, TEXAS CITY, TX. South Central Race Center,Tom's Paint&Bo dy,Motorcycles Unlimited,Texas Yamaha,Mo
15 19 833.3 BRENDAN MCGREEVY, ALLISON PARK, PA. BT Auto,Crossroads,Dutchman Racing,Gypsy
16 19 375.0 TONY TA, SPRING, TX. Suomy,Vortex,PittBull,Motorcycles Unlimi ted,Tom's Paint and Body,Bridgestone,EBC
17 18 800.0 BRETT HICKMAN, BOYCE, VA. DCDecals,Vax Com Services Inc,Michelin,V ortex,Sharkskinz,PitBull,VP,Brembo,HPH r acing
18 18 250.0 JAKE MATZ, FLOWER MOUND, TX.
19 17 766.7 C JORDAN STRANGE, PORT ORANGE, FL. DMS Racing,South Turn Lounge,Full Spectr
20 16 733.3 ZOLTAN NEMES, NEW BRUNSWICK, NJ. Washington Cycleworks,FMF,Decals By Desi
21 15 700.0 ANDREW RUTT, DENVER, PA. HotBodies,Vortex,Pirelli,JJ Stoner Mecha nical,JR's Cycle Shop,Penske,Silkolene,E
22 14 666.7 JUAN TOVES, TAMPA, FL. Corsa MotoWorks,www.MonicaToves.com,Dunl op,Vortex,Sharkskinz,PitBull,EBC
23 13 633.3 MELISSA APPEL, ROBINS, IA. NESBA,Mid-Illini Motorsports
24 12 600.0 ALEJANDRO PAREDES, CORAL GABLES, FL.
25 11 566.7 STUART ZUCKERMAN, FT LAUDERDALE, FL. Sportbike-Gear.com
26 10 533.3 JARED MCCOIG, MARYVILLE, TN. Michelin,Sharkskinz,PitBull,Duc Shop
27 9 500.0 NICHOLAS CICCI, NORSEHEADS, NY. Honda,EBC,Dunlop,Quick Stop Bcv,Frank Ci cci,Just Batteries,Sharkskinz,PitBull
28 8 466.7 EDGARDO RAMIREZ, CAGACS, PR.
29 7 433.3 PAUL CAPPELLA, WEST CHESTER, PA. SpeedWerks,Pirelli
30 6 400.0 CRAIG WORATYLA, TRIANGLE, VA.
31 4 333.3 RICHARD PENA, KISSIMMEE, FL. Cartune Auto,Dunlop,Vortex,VP,Sharkskinz ,Yamaha,Syed,Fullspectrun Racing,EBC
32 3 300.0 JOSE DELORBE, BRONX, NY. VP,Vortex,GMD Computrack,Street&Comp
33 2 266.7 ALFRED SMITH, FERNANDINA BEACH, FL.
34 1 233.3 JOSEE BOUCHARD, OTTAWA, ONTARIO, CN. Champion Racing
35 0 200.0 JOSE CONTRERAS, REGO PARK, NY. Pirelli,PitBull
36 0 166.7 VICTOR MANCERA, MEXICO CITY, MX. Copidux,Excelacia Medica,Taco Express,Ra
37 0 133.3 MICHAEL FAILLACE, ALLENTOWN, PA.
38 0 100.0 IBRAHIM YOUSEF, DURHAM, NC.
39 0 66.7 DENNIS BOYLE, ELDERSBURG, MD. ReMax Advantage Realty,Ellicott City Mot orsports,Michelin,Silkolene,Lockhart Phi
40 0 33.3 PETE PANTELIODIS, WHITESTONE, NY. Gus PoolsInc,Eur Racing,Vortex,VP,PitBul


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1 100 950.0 CHRISTOPHER BANKSTON, TEXAS CITY, TX. Texas Yamaha,Reliance Ford,Scorpion Helm ets,Michelin,Vortex,Sharkskinz
2 70 1000.0 JEFF DAVIS, SPRINGDALE, AR. CCS,Bridgestone,HotBodies
3 62 320.8 MATTHEW ALLEY, HOUSTON, TX. CMFR,Pirelli,Repsol,Vortex
4 60 800.0 CHRIS BRILLON, HOUSTON, TX.
5 59 250.0 STEPHEN W SMITH, HOUSTON, TX. ScooterSmith,Bridgestone,PitBull,Vortex
6 52 600.0 ALONZO CONTRERAS, PEARLAND, TX.
7 49 600.0 DUSTIN JOHNSON, ANGLETON, TX. Vortex,Vesrah,Powerstands,Dunlop,Hotbodi es,Stubbs Cycles,Texas track Days,Leo Vi
8 46 400.0 CHARLES SACKEY, HOUSTON, TX. Vortex
9 35 1000.0 RAFAEL FERRER, MIAMI, FL.
10 35 1000.0 DEREK STEPTOE, PEARLAND, TX. Longhorn Motorcycle School,South Central Race Center,Bridgestone,Grand Prix Moto
11 30 972.2 LARRY KARPINSKY JR, TOMS RIVER, NJ. New Jersey Iron,Teterboro RAMS,MWT Racin
12 30 833.3 ERICH STENDER II, CEDAR PARK, TX.
13 30 750.0 CHRIS LASHLEY, WEST FORK, AR. South Central Race Center,Bridgestone,Ho tBodies
14 26 944.4 CHRISTOPHER MAHER, FEASTERVILLE, PA. The Bike Works,Dunlop,Vortex,ChickenHawk
15 26 800.0 JASON HANNING, ALVIN, TX. Longhorne Motorcycle School,Bridgestone, South Central Race Center,Grand Prix Mot
16 26 666.7 MIKE QUINN, ADDISON, TX. The Search Firm,My Wallet,Around The Blo ck Moving,DRQ Racing,McCartys Tavern,Bri
17 23 916.7 JUAN TOVES, TAMPA, FL. Corsa MotoWorks,www.MonicaToves.com,Dunl op,Vortex,Sharkskinz,PitBull,EBC
18 21 888.9 JAY SCOTT QUICK, DAYTONA BEACH, FL. Pirelli,Vortex,Sharkskinz,VP,Pitbull,Suo
19 21 600.0 RICK CORRY, HOUSTON, TX. Honda of Houston,Motorcycles Unlimited,S outh Central Race CTR,Lanes Hi Tech Pain
20 21 333.3 JAKE MATZ, FLOWER MOUND, TX.
21 19 861.1 JEREMY BENNETT, FERNANDINA BEACH, FL. Vortex,GMD Computrack,Michelin,VP,AGV,Po werstands,Yamaha
22 19 500.0 TERRENCE HURLEY, LAMAREUE, TX. Reliance Ford,Texas Yamah,Michelin,Parts Unlimited,VP,
23 19 166.7 NOAH BEARDEN, BENTON, LA.
24 18 833.3 ZOLTAN NEMES, NEW BRUNSWICK, NJ. Washington Cycleworks,FMF,Decals By Desi
25 18 400.0 CHRIS JUNEMANN, TEXAS CITY, TX. South Central Race Center,Tom's Paint&Bo dy,Motorcycles Unlimited,Texas Yamaha,Mo 26 17 805.6 REESE WACKER, ORANGE PARK, FL. N Jax Suzuki,Vortex,Castrol,VP,Pirelli,P itBull,Vesrah
27 16 777.8 BRETT HICKMAN, BOYCE, VA. DCDecals,Vax Com Services Inc,Michelin,V ortex,Sharkskinz,PitBull,VP,Brembo,HPH r acing
28 15 750.0 CASEY DUGGAN, MIRAMAR, FL. PitBull,Vortex,EBC,Michelin,Screwface Ra cing,Racinglinez.com,Sportbikedecals.com
29 15 100.0 JERRY SCOTT, FRIENDSWOOD, TX. JRS Motorsports,Tom's Paint & Body
30 14 722.2 ANGEL CRUZ, BRONX, NY. VP,Street&Comp,Vortex,Orien Express,EBC
31 13 694.4 ANDREW RUTT, DENVER, PA. HotBodies,Vortex,Pirelli,JJ Stoner Mecha nical,JR's Cycle Shop,Penske,Silkolene,E
32 12 666.7 SEAN MOORE, POMPANO BEACH, FL. Screw Face Racing,Palm Beach Trimuph,Rac ing Linez,Sportbike decals,Extreme Custo
33 11 638.9 JAMES EASLEY, MIDDLETOWN, DE. Speedwerks.com,Pirelli,Payless Car Renta l
34 10 611.1 EDGARDO RAMIREZ, CAGACS, PR.
35 9 583.3 C JORDAN STRANGE, PORT ORANGE, FL. DMS Racing,South Turn Lounge,Full Spectr
36 8 555.6 BRENDAN MCGREEVY, ALLISON PARK, PA. BT Auto,Crossroads,Dutchman Racing,Gypsy
37 7 527.8 JONATHAN VAZQUEZ, CORAL SPRINGS, FL.
38 6 500.0 CRAIG WORATYLA, TRIANGLE, VA.
39 5 472.2 JONHATAN HERNANDEZ, CANCUN, QR, MX.
40 4 444.4 STUART ZUCKERMAN, FT LAUDERDALE, FL. Sportbike-Gear.com
41 3 416.7 DALE FUCHS, INDIAN TRAIL, NC.
42 2 388.9 PAUL CAPPELLA, WEST CHESTER, PA. SpeedWerks,Pirelli
43 1 361.1 ALFRED SMITH, FERNANDINA BEACH, FL.
44 0 305.6 JOSEE BOUCHARD, OTTAWA, ONTARIO, CN. Champion Racing
45 0 277.8 WILLIAM HANEY, YULEE, FL.
46 0 250.0 MARCUS CANTUARIA, FORT MYERS, FL.
47 0 222.2 KENNETH TOMLINSON, JONESBOROUGH, TN. HotBodies,Silkolene,PitBull,Vortex,Lockh
48 0 194.4 VICTOR MANCERA, MEXICO CITY, MX. Copidux,Excelacia Medica,Taco Express,Ra
49 0 166.7 LUIS ULERIO, BRONX, NY. VP,Vortex,Street&Comp,Orien Exprex,Shark ing
50 0 138.9 IBRAHIM YOUSEF, DURHAM, NC.
51 0 111.1 JOSE CONTRERAS, REGO PARK, NY. Pirelli,PitBull
52 0 83.3 DENNIS BOYLE, ELDERSBURG, MD. ReMax Advantage Realty,Ellicott City Mot orsports,Michelin,Silkolene,Lockhart Phi
53 0 55.6 CHUCK MORRIS, OCALA, FL.
54 0 27.8 PETE PANTELIODIS, WHITESTONE, NY. Gus PoolsInc,Eur Racing,Vortex,VP,PitBul
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Old 06-17-2008, 04:58 PM   #25
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uh, ok...so whats the difference with CCS and CMRA?
what decides which one u do?
YOU pick...


CCS has less people on the grid, somewhat more of a fair chance

CMRA lots of fast guys, most popular right now.
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are either one of them more of a "faster" crowd tho? and do they both have the same requirements to race?
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ty howard and larry myers are the top fast guys....and they both race both clubs.
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each have diff req of things to do to your bike.... as far as what needs to be saftey wired etc.
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Ok, your getting over my head now lol. and i dont know ty or larry(or atleast, i dont think i have met them yet).

So is it all the same kinda stuff, just different companies?
like dillards, macys, jcpenny, sears? all dep stores to shop in, u can buy a shirt at any of them?

CMRA, CCS, and all the others...all race organizations, you just chose which one to race in?
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Ok, your getting over my head now lol. and i dont know ty or larry(or atleast, i dont think i have met them yet).

So is it all the same kinda stuff, just different companies?
like dillards, macys, jcpenny, sears? all dep stores to shop in, u can buy a shirt at any of them?

CMRA, CCS, and all the others...all race organizations, you just chose which one to race in?
And you can race in more than one.
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yes, your only REAL choices are ccs and cmra.

Well, those are MY choices becuase I dont do this to be competitive, I just do it for fun every now and then.

To be competitive, you must race all over the country
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OK, there's a lot of information on several different posts here, I'll see if I can hit some of the high points:

CMRA has been around for about 30-40 years and they are a "regional" racing club. They hold races about once per month at 5 different tracks in Texas and Oklahoma (Texas World Speedway, Motor Sports Ranch, Mercedes Benz Sugar Land Road Course, Eagle's Canyon, and Hallett). They hold races for "Mini" endurance races and sprints, and "Big Bike" endurance races and sprints at almost every weekend. They also promote the sport by holding a "Jr Motard" class, where riders 8 years old and older can compete with governed for speed motards.

You get your license for the CMRA by taking the licensing class from LSTD, who provides that service for no fee, and only charges the CMRA fees for licensing.

WERA is a "regional" and "national" club, and they've been around for a long time too. CMRA used to be affiliated with WERA years ago, then had an affiliation with CCS, and now, CMRA is their own independent club. WERA holds races in certain regions and nationally for "Big Bikes" in endurance and sprints, as well as some of the smaller GP chassis bikes like the RS125 in sprints.

To race WERA, you can get a temporary license for that weekend, or, you can get a full license as long as you hold a CMRA license, and I assume a CCS license will suffice too.

CCS has several "regional" areas and a "national" series as well. Just this year, a few folks who were disgruntled with the CMRA for getting bumped to "Expert" decided to start a "regional" series here to compete with the CMRA series.

CCS holds "Big Bike" spints, and I hear they hold "Big Bike" endurance races at selected events.

You can get a CCS license through Buck's track days, or, if you hold a CMRA license, you can race CCS too for certain fees.

"Regional" races are races that are held within a certain geographic area- like the CMRA has Texas and Oklahoma tracks they race at.

"National" races are exactly that- races that are held all over the country. Some racers will do nothing but travel from City to City, State to State to race and do nothing else during racing season. This goes from the "novice" racer, to the "expert" racers, and the "pro" racers. Obviously, it costs a shitload of money to do this. The WERA National Series for sprints and endurance is regarded as the "next step" from being a "pro" racer (one who gets paid to race), although over the past several years, a whole boatload of racers from the CMRA have either gone "pro" or gone on to race "AMA" (the pro racing national series like you see on TV) from the CMRA.

Endurance races are races where multiple riders ride for a certain amount of time, vs a sprint race, that lasts for a certain amount of laps. Sprint races typically last for 6-8 laps, while endurance races last for hours and end when the first place bike crosses the finish line after the time period has elapsed.

To start racing, you should be proficient and comfortable with very close passing, big disparities in speed (the fast guys are going way faster than you are), and being able to control your bike and yourself with consistent riding and holding your lines.

Without trying to sound arrogant, a lot of riders will go to a few track days with orgs who have few/ no racers there and ride the "advanced" groups, then come to a CMRA race weekend and sign up for the "novie" or some even sign up for the "expert" racer groups to get their CMRA license, and get a big awakening when they see that they really aren't going fast at all. Some folks will give up after that, some don't, but it's funny to hear them come in and say, "Dang, I was riding level 4 at XX track day and I thought I was going fast, but I wasn't!".

I've been with the CMRA when it was the CRRC years ago, and the way things are now with the CMRA as I've come back to racing is WAY different than it was. It was pretty good then under the Brothers family, they did a good job, but now, the CMRA is a very professional and cleanly run operation, that is rivaled by none, even in the national arena. We get National and Pro racers all the time that come in and compliment us on how the CMRA runs their events, and the CMRA takes those compliments proudly.

Amanda, a great way for you to get in to racing would be to do some TMGP mini races. Racing minis is a great way to learn corner speed and (ahem) racing etiquette and then step in to racing big bikes after a few more track days.

You won't regret doing it.
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Well Put Tom, also TMGP is ALOT cheaper.


BUT, if you are Like Godzuki, its ALOT more DANGEROUS. lol
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I forgot to mention, there are certain "national" races that people will go to from their region (like CMRA racers running a WERA National event) a few times during the year. These events (like Mid-Ohio) will have pro racing teams and the regular WERA racers there, and it's kindof a "Superbowl" of racing, where all the regional fast folks will come to compete for exposure to the pro teams and compete with the fastest guys in the country.

The licensing procedures start out with "Provisional Novice", where you have to complete two race weekends without crashing, and two race weekends of cornerworking. After doing that, you will become a "Novice" racer. During your Novice season, you do XX number of races and score XX number of points. At the end of the season, the racing organization will look at your points and determine a cut off number based on certain criteria. Everyone above that number of points that is determined will become an "Expert", and hold an Expert racing license the next season. Another way to become an Expert, is if you finish the season in the top three in your Novice class (like you finish 3rd in Superbike B at the end of the season).
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If you like to fly all around the world try MotoGp. You can race 125s, 250's, or 800cc racebikes.
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Amanda, a great way for you to get in to racing would be to do some TMGP mini races. Racing minis is a great way to learn corner speed and (ahem) racing etiquette and then step in to racing big bikes after a few more track days.
Could you expand on this? I can't tell if it's just for younger folks or what, and what sort of bike/prep is required...
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Could you expand on this? I can't tell if it's just for younger folks or what, and what sort of bike/prep is required...
Go here: http://www.motohouston.com/forums/fo...play.php?f=127

There's some stickies that will answer a bunch of questions.

Basically, the TMGP is a series that runs in Texas, sometimes in conjunction with CMRA races. All ages compete, from kids up to old fat guys (like me ).

Some of these "minis" are GP chassis and 17" wheeled machines, the majority though are motards with 65cc, 80cc, 100cc, etc engines.

Great fun. They have a web site too, it's one of the stickies in the link I gave you.
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