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Old 06-13-2008, 10:02 AM   #21
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already gutted the cat and muffler on mine, as well as my diesel, cat and muffler laying next to the house.
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Old 06-13-2008, 10:03 AM   #22
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Old 06-13-2008, 10:04 AM   #23
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that's right, there's no way in that my bike pollutes more than my truck, also love rolling coal next to those pansies in their prius
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ummmm............no guy

basically were trying to institute the "carbon emissions credit" program to

a. sell our excess(that we gave ourself in the first place) to smaller countires for a profit

b. limit their usage and dependance on fossil fuels so we can hog it all.....


price at the pump is about to change
up or down
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change in what way, another dollar higher? so everything can get more expensive and wages can stay the same, way to let the economy go to the $hitter. but exxon still records higher profits than ever
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nope, just another middle class american refusing to give up the things i work my a$$ off for
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Platnium in the catylitic converter burns off more HC and CO then vehicles can ever create clean out of the exhaust pipes. NOx is controlled by the rich/lean flucuations of the fuel systems(hence the reason the oxygen sensor signals flucuate 8-10/sec. The rich mixture is burned off in the cat, the lean mixture 'lights off' the catylist w heat.

When I left Cali in 2001 motorcycle and desiel smog testing was approved. Problem being desiels create such a high NOx level by design they didn't have a)a standard to go by, b)enforcement or support to do all the testing.

My 87 Saab sniffed 0 HC, .25CO out of the tailpipe when I had it in Cali in 99. When I came to Texas the 2001 limit was 225 ppm and .5 CO for new cars... I was shocked. The Valley in California has some of the worst emissions which were originally blamed on the farmers rigs but they found out the coastal breeze blew the emissions into the valley. Once that was discovered emission ratings got tight quick.

As for motorcycles, the new ones do have cats, but I can guarantee they don't burn at the temps that an automotive cat would light off since there isn't alot of room for the heat, regardless of engine size. Does it help, no doubt it does.

I will be first to admit motorcycles aren't doing their part in keeping this world green but we will selfishly enjoy our rides enjoying the greenery around us and seeing more of this world then people complaining about the situation and restricting our fun... Which is worse? At least Im getting out and seeing the world.
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NOx emissions are a natural byproduct of efficient combustion. the more efficient you are burning fuel the more NOx you will have. They're a natural result of pressure and heat, sort of a double edged sword. They're the reason for 3-way catalytic convertors. Normal (older) 2-way catalysts aren't able to convert the NOx particles into safer Nitrogen molecules and water. NOx emissions are a problem for the environment because when NOx are exposed to Hydrocarbons and ultraviolet light (i.e. sunlight) the NOx particle will release a free radical Oxygen atom, also known as O3, or ozone at ground level.


The oxygen sensor fluctuation isn't for burning of NOx, or any other particle, its' because of the fact that an O2 sensor merely functions as a switch to the ecu. the rapid fluctuation is because the O2 sensor is incapable of registering a stoich mixture. it can only read rich or lean, so the computer is constantly adding and removing fuel several times a second to maintain the stoich average in the combustion chamber. This of course, only applies to narrowband O2 sensors, wideband O2 sensors are much more sensitive and the computer is able to read them like a potentiometer, thereby maintaining a much more accurate fuel mixture.

And motorcycle exhaust is just as hot, if not hotter than just about any car's exhaust. Motorcycle engines run much hotter, have higher compression, rev higher, and less effecient cooling systems, than cars. If anything their average exhaust temp is 200-300 degrees F hotter than your typical car's. Which in turn keeps the cat hot as well.
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i dont think my Harley with its antiquated pushrod engine is emitting 4 times the amount of a car. All in all, my motor is still an internal combustion engine, runs on the same premium fuel the cars use, which, at optimum, tunes and burns fuel the same way as the larger v-8 car motors do, nothing different, mines just smaller in size than theirs.
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i dont think my Harley with its antiquated pushrod engine is emitting 4 times the amount of a car. All in all, my motor is still an internal combustion engine, runs on the same premium fuel the cars use, which, at optimum, tunes and burns fuel the same way as the larger v-8 car motors do, nothing different, mines just smaller in size than theirs.
did u go to hooters wednsday?

and isnt mexico and mexico city the most heavily polluted city?:/:
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gotta keep in mind though, the harley's don't have cats on them, so their HCO emissions are much higher than that of cars that have cats.
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ok simple fact.....global warming isnt man made....

the current temp rise is natural and cyclical......we have 0 to do with the glaciers melting.

fossil record and paleoclimatology prove this.

so does the geologic time scale.....

o and also? hear anything lately about the hole in the ozone layer?

no you sure havent.....thats because it closed itself up....yet again, naturally occuring

and destroying the rain forrest is a good thing.
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and isnt mexico and mexico city the most heavily polluted city?:/:
yep,
and highest per capita of birth defects. Coincidence?
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and highest per capita of birth defects. Coincidence?
It's the hippies playing with the numbers. Complete
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I'll pay attention to people whining about motorcycles' emission once they successfully remove all those huge and purposeless hummer and suvs off the public roads.
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