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Old 06-14-2008, 05:42 AM   #21
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Just because the racers and fellow track rats run race tires on the street does not mean a noob or average street rider should follow suit. There is a dramatic difference in the riding and experience levels between the two camps. Lord knows I run stickies on the street.

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Old 06-14-2008, 07:47 AM   #22
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ive been runnin my own take offs on the street for 15 yrs and have never been able to tell the difference them or street rubber. ... i even run full slicks on the street tard. this thread is full of bullshit... you people act like yall go out on the street and ride like ur Rossi or sumthin.
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ive been runnin my own take offs on the street for 15 yrs and have never been able to tell the difference them or street rubber. ... i even run full slicks on the street tard. this thread is full of bullshit... you people act like yall go out on the street and ride like ur Rossi or sumthin.


I ran take off for years on my bikes, going all the way back to my first one when I couldn't afford anything else.

Granted, they don't work great in the rain, and yes, they do wear out quickly, but if you need a tire and don't have enough for a new one, take offs will get you by.

In the end it's kind of a false economy though.
A take off lasts less than a qurter of what a new street tire does.
By the time you've changed the tire 3-4 times you could have bought a new tire, changed it once and had some money left over.
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My biggest issue with them, and the reason I won't sell them to someone who plans on using them on the street, is because of the way the rubber will degrade and harden vs street rubber. Not to mention, they're usually so wasted on the edges that it makes the tire triangular shape.

That's just me though, I will try not to preach to anyone else about it... I'll try...
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I ran take off for years on my bikes, going all the way back to my first one when I couldn't afford anything else.

Granted, they don't work great in the rain, and yes, they do wear out quickly, but if you need a tire and don't have enough for a new one, take offs will get you by.

In the end it's kind of a false economy though.
A take off lasts less than a qurter of what a new street tire does.
By the time you've changed the tire 3-4 times you could have bought a new tire, changed it once and had some money left over.
With all do respect Patrick, wasn't it you that insisted that I not buy BT002 pros for TWS (Texas World Speedway) if I was ever planning to ride with them on the street. They work in a narrow heat range, bad in the rain, etc.... u suggested the BT002 Ride Smart's instead.

So new race tires are no good for me on the street, but takeoffs would be? , I must REALLY BE A NOOB.
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This is more about when to change tires but it shows a few used tires track and street...


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all of you think to much.

the tires cold will out perform most street tires. and when they are hot they definitly will out perform all street tires. i dont care how many heat cycles are on the tires.

by having a tire that is more worn out on the side on your street bike, by the time you get some wear in the middle the tire is still going to fairly round. UNLIKE street tires, once the middle starts to get worn on them you have a big flrat spot that gives the tire another edge. and when transitioning over that edge you are going to loose grib.

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My biggest issue with them, and the reason I won't sell them to someone who plans on using them on the street, is because of the way the rubber will degrade and harden vs street rubber. Not to mention, they're usually so wasted on the edges that it makes the tire triangular shape.

That's just me though, I will try not to preach to anyone else about it... I'll try...
i would rather have a tire that is trianguler shaped than a tire with a flat spot. atleast with a triangular tire you'll have more grip leaned over than you will riding on a tire with a flat spot


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I ran the 10 around with my old 002's... never had any issues with 'em. I would let 'em get good and warm before any aggressive riding, but other than that, you should be good...
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With all do respect Patrick, wasn't it you that insisted that I not buy BT002 pros for TWS (Texas World Speedway) if I was ever planning to ride with them on the street. They work in a narrow heat range, bad in the rain, etc.... u suggested the BT002 Ride Smart's instead.

So new race tires are no good for me on the street, but takeoffs would be? , I must REALLY BE A NOOB.
I THINK he meant that full-price, brand-new race tires would not be optimal for your mostly-street-situation. But if you can buy take-offs for $50-$75, the cost/wear issues are negated/eliminated.

As far as rain riding, how often does anyone do that?? Sometimes, you may get caught out, and if you do you would be wise to be very cautious no matter what tire you're on.
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You can definitely use it for the street. Try it and form your own opinion.
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With all do respect Patrick, wasn't it you that insisted that I not buy BT002 pros for TWS (Texas World Speedway) if I was ever planning to ride with them on the street. They work in a narrow heat range, bad in the rain, etc.... u suggested the BT002 Ride Smart's instead.

So new race tires are no good for me on the street, but takeoffs would be? , I must REALLY BE A NOOB.
It's a waste to ride new race tires on the street, take offs are better unless you ride the street like you do at the track.
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I THINK he meant that full-price, brand-new race tires would not be optimal for your mostly-street-situation. But if you can buy take-offs for $50-$75, the cost/wear issues are negated/eliminated.

As far as rain riding, how often does anyone do that?? Sometimes, you may get caught out, and if you do you would be wise to be very cautious no matter what tire you're on.
Curt,
In my post I stated that take offs "don't work great in the rain."

To me take offs are an alternative for people who can't afford new tires and needs something TODAY.

They are not a substitute for someone looking for maximum traction / wear life, so the advice I gave you still holds.
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I THINK he meant that full-price, brand-new race tires would not be optimal for your mostly-street-situation. But if you can buy take-offs for $50-$75, the cost/wear issues are negated/eliminated.

As far as rain riding, how often does anyone do that?? Sometimes, you may get caught out, and if you do you would be wise to be very cautious no matter what tire you're on.
I rarely ride on the street - perhaps 4 times since I bought the bike. Anyway, I understand Patrick's point.
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Curt,
In my post I stated that take offs "don't work great in the rain."

To me take offs are an alternative for people who can't afford new tires and needs something TODAY.

They are not a substitute for someone looking for maximum traction / wear life, so the advice I gave you still holds.
Patrick, it's all good. Just giving you a friendly ribbing.... I know I'll always be a Noob to you guys that have been riding since Kennedy was president.

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...would not be optimal for your mostly-street-situation...
That is really funny.
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that ! i run cheng shins on my yo !
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that ! i run cheng shins on my yo !
Don't bag on the Cheng Shins dawg!

Back in '86 (iirc), that was my first "race" tire! No lie, I was going to order them from Dennis Kirk, they were their "race" tire which looked like a slick that had tear drop sipes punched in a pattern to conform to DOT regs. The week before I was going to order them, someone had a brand new set at Oak Hill that were the right size for my FT500, and they gave them to me.

That set of tires lasted me the whole season!

Don't ask me how they performed though, I wasn't fast enough to know, and besides, the FT didn't have enough hp to make any tire work...

Man, I haven't thought about that shyt in years.
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Don't bag on the Cheng Shins dawg!

Back in '86 (iirc), that was my first "race" tire! No lie, I was going to order them from Dennis Kirk, they were their "race" tire which looked like a slick that had tear drop sipes punched in a pattern to conform to DOT regs. The week before I was going to order them, someone had a brand new set at Oak Hill that were the right size for my FT500, and they gave them to me.

That set of tires lasted me the whole season!

Don't ask me how they performed though, I wasn't fast enough to know, and besides, the FT didn't have enough hp to make any tire work...

Man, I haven't thought about that shyt in years.
honky ! i aint raggin on the shins homie ! i use to race cheng shin endouro tires at the TMGP races on the xr100. won a couple gumball machine trophies on them hos ! fukin it up old skool
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honky ! i aint raggin on the shins homie ! i use to race cheng shin endouro tires at the TMGP races on the xr100. won a couple gumball machine trophies on them hos ! fukin it up old skool
That's awesome, I thought I was the only one on this earth who was brave enough or cheap enough to run those biatches at the track!
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That's awesome, I thought I was the only one on this earth who was brave enough or cheap enough to run those biatches at the track!
here's to all you guys that road race with cheng shin. Y'all have a lot of heart, don't know about the head but a lot of heart.
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