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Old 06-03-2008, 11:02 AM   #21
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I dont have the math worked out yet but just off he top of my head I spend about 90 dollars a week in gas in the truck - - 30 dollars a week if on the bike.

seems to me that x's 4 that would save me $240 right off the top.. just in gas expenses.
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IF you drop the car note and insurance. If you keep the car note and insurance, not so much.
I was just doing the either or comparison. If I had one or the other, ya know? Having 2 vehicles either way is gonna cost a bit of $$$.
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driving a car $446.75
riding a bike $187.65
Getting hurt on a bike riding to work and no work no pay, priceless.

Riding does save money but health/lives is more valuble. I hate riding during traffic hours and all these people are crazy. The front car like to drive fast and slam on the brakes. If there is an opening, someone will cut in front of them. If I leave them room then someone will cut in front of me and kill my following distance. The one behind me will likely do the same, riding my . If I give it brake check and it falls back. Another douchebag will cut in front of him and the cycles continue. That's not counting, someone could try to squeezed into your lane because they didn't pay attention.
Right! I ride everyday and will continue to do so: HOWEVER PEOPLE:

When saying you save (which you do at the pump), I would beg to differ. I say you break even, or save a minute amount.

Calculate cost of repair when at some point you go sliding. Insurance for those under 25 can be as much with collision and comp as a car. Deductibles, medical bills and injuries, etc

In my case I sold my car and make pmts of $80 a month, and plan on paying off this year, but financial situations haven't allowed so far. Its cheaper by far than a VW GTI, but breaks even with a cheap beater car.


WOULD SAVE MOST MONEY if all conditions are meet

1. Bike paid off (most of you have that i guess)
2. Money set aside for bike repair to avoid having comp/collision on bike (if bike financed have to have full coverage)
3. never wreck and get medical injuries that cause loss of work, time off.
4. IF you sold your car and only ride and get injured, hope your insurance covers rental car while recovering!
5. All gear paid in full and not on credit card
6. remember replacement cost of gear if you go sliding! I have a SHoei RF-1000, and thts $400 bucks a pop!
6. Do most repairs and tire changers yourself.
7. Own tools to do the aforesaid.

More could be said, but basically you save money, but can lose in other instances. Saving money can't be the reason to ride.... it has to be the two wheels that move the soul. Its not safer, not more convient, not cheaper long term by much, but it is a heck lot more fun and you look good doing it( pose a bit for your coworkers )

Regardless if I save, I'd do it again, its the best thing I've done for myself besides get married!
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Bike - 2005 Ninja 250.
MPG - 67mpg (I get 200miles out of 3 gallons every time)
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So using my bike for a month to get to work and back I spend
(2500/67) X $4 + $10 + $34 = $193.65

Difference here goes up to $500

Wow. I wish. I ride a 250, but I get around 50mpg. I must be a bit heavy on the throttle. I average 180-200 before I hit reserve. I stopped letting it hit reserve, because with earplugs I didn't catch it sevearl times before it went out... on FM 1960 in heavy traffic.... so I don't know the average before i hit reserve lately. I'm not about to try and figure out again!
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replacing tires every 5-6k, vs a car at say 30k, so you'll replace tires 5x on a bike for 1x on a car. so if you ride 18k a yr, you'll replace 3 sets of tires @> $200 set.

and most sportbikes tires only last 3-4k.

chain, every 15-20k
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Wow. I wish. I ride a 250, but I get around 50mpg. I must be a bit heavy on the throttle. I average 180-200 before I hit reserve. I stopped letting it hit reserve, because with earplugs I didn't catch it sevearl times before it went out... on FM 1960 in heavy traffic.... so I don't know the average before i hit reserve lately. I'm not about to try and figure out again!
Slow down. I am yet to hit reserve. I just go to the station when I hit 200 and put in 3 gallons.
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i broke it down and its about 11 cents a mile for the bike and close to 20 cents per mile in car all aspects i could think of included, tires, oil, mpg, the fact i can put 83 octane in bike and have to put premium in car, i also dont buy the most BA tires i go for the more reasonable priced ones ( im gettin about 6K miles on a rear and 12+k on my fronts) didnt feel like typing all the formulas

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20 cents per mile to drive car (+ about 650 for the car a year)
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*edit damnit forgot insurance so 125 for a year on bike
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You wanna save more money, do your own oil change. Only takes 5 minutes and is like 20 bucks.

THAT'S AN EXTRA $15.00 YOU SAVE! THAT'S A FULL TANK!!!!!!!!

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Slow down. I am yet to hit reserve. I just go to the station when I hit 200 and put in 3 gallons.
Why? I like hitting the throttle, the extra 0.25 cents it cost me a tank isn't too bad..... worth the fun...
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Right! I ride everyday and will continue to do so: HOWEVER PEOPLE:

When saying you save (which you do at the pump), I would beg to differ. I say you break even, or save a minute amount.

Calculate cost of repair when at some point you go sliding. Insurance for those under 25 can be as much with collision and comp as a car. Deductibles, medical bills and injuries, etc

In my case I sold my car and make pmts of $80 a month, and plan on paying off this year, but financial situations haven't allowed so far. Its cheaper by far than a VW GTI, but breaks even with a cheap beater car.


WOULD SAVE MOST MONEY if all conditions are meet

1. Bike paid off (most of you have that i guess)
2. Money set aside for bike repair to avoid having comp/collision on bike (if bike financed have to have full coverage)
3. never wreck and get medical injuries that cause loss of work, time off.
4. IF you sold your car and only ride and get injured, hope your insurance covers rental car while recovering!
5. All gear paid in full and not on credit card
6. remember replacement cost of gear if you go sliding! I have a SHoei RF-1000, and thts $400 bucks a pop!
6. Do most repairs and tire changers yourself.
7. Own tools to do the aforesaid.

More could be said, but basically you save money, but can lose in other instances. Saving money can't be the reason to ride.... it has to be the two wheels that move the soul. Its not safer, not more convient, not cheaper long term by much, but it is a heck lot more fun and you look good doing it( pose a bit for your coworkers )

Regardless if I save, I'd do it again, its the best thing I've done for myself besides get married!

Well, I guess I meet all 7 conditions. plus I am older than most on here and get great rates on insurance. $177 a year full cov. & comp and collision
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You wanna save more money, do your own oil change. Only takes 5 minutes and is like 20 bucks.

THAT'S AN EXTRA $15.00 YOU SAVE! THAT'S A FULL TANK!!!!!!!!

Yep. I only use the good stuff and dealer gaskets.

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dude i can fit so much carp in my mini-van.......lol

and the once in a while i need a truck i can rent from uhaul around the corner.


that get 20mpg
and the P5 gets 30+

neither require prem. and both have tires that last 30k+
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Dude keep the car and Insurance, still save money and can go on a date or what about when its cold or raining ?
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Today I had a few minutes to kill, so I decided to see what kind of gas mileage I get out of my bike in the long run. And, since I was at it, I decided to also see if I am saving money in the long run by riding the bike instead of driving a car. To use Microsoft's acronyms, I tried to estimate the TCO (Total Cost of Ownership).

The executive summary is that the cost of maintenance is roughly equal to what I save in fuel. Of course, I spend less on car maintenance as a result, so there are some savings. If you are interested in the details, read on.

I've been riding it for almost a year, and it is interesting to average gas mileage over that period. In my accounting records I keep track of how much gas was put in at every fill up, mileage since the previous fill up and gas price (just so I can keep track of the historical gas prices, if I ever want to look that up).

I have 7233 miles / 111.457 gallons = 64.89 mpg. In the same time frame my Accord shows roughly 28 mpg. That's roughly 200 gallons saved over the course of 10 months (assuming that every trip I took on a bike I would've taken on a car instead, if I did not have a bike, which is not a bad assumption because almost all of the miles on the bike are just commuting). Gas prices seemed to hover around $3 over the past year, so that would be 200 * 3 = $600 in savings.

Since we are at it, let's do some more number-crunching. Insurance costs me $16/month. $16*10 months = $160. Tabs - $55. There were 4 oil/filter changes (80, 500, 3000, 6000 miles). Each is roughly $10. Can of chain lubricant is another $10 and a can of cable lube with a contraption to apply it was another $20, and I have plenty left. So, let's say I used $15 of that stuff. I have worn ~60-70% of the rear tire and have very little wear on the front. If we were to amortize that, let's say I've used $70 worth of rubber. I do my own maintenance, so there is no added cost there. (If you pay to have your maintenance done there is no way you will save any money in this scheme.) I will not include any “upgrades”, like lights in extra pods, bigger sprocket, rack, or hard top-case, as these are technically not consumables, and I could have done without them. For simplicity's sake, let's also assume that I will completely replace all of my gear in 5 years. That'd be roughly $100/year (and is a pretty conservative estimate). Tally up... 160+55+40+15+70+100=440. There's an unknown amount of chain wear, brake pads wear, other wear, fluids needing to be changed, etc. That should easily add up to $60 per year, making the total $500 if no repairs are needed

So, by riding a bike conservatively, servicing it myself and buying inexpensive gear I am saving roughly $100 per year. At best. Realistically, I probably would just break even - the savings in gas money would be completely offset by wear & tear and maintenance costs. In other words, riding the bike only saves me money I would've spent on car maintenance.

The result is: Yes, it will save you money, in the best possible scenario. In a more likely scenario, however, the bike will cost you more to own than not to. Also, a bike any more expensive than a 250 will cost you more money than you will save in any case.

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Today I had a few minutes to kill, so I decided to see what kind of gas mileage I get out of my bike in the long run. And, since I was at it, I decided to also see if I am saving money in the long run by riding the bike instead of driving a car. To use Microsoft's acronyms, I tried to estimate the TCO (Total Cost of Ownership).

The executive summary is that the cost of maintenance is roughly equal to what I save in fuel. Of course, I spend less on car maintenance as a result, so there are some savings. If you are interested in the details, read on.

I've been riding it for almost a year, and it is interesting to average gas mileage over that period. In my accounting records I keep track of how much gas was put in at every fill up, mileage since the previous fill up and gas price (just so I can keep track of the historical gas prices, if I ever want to look that up).

I have 7233 miles / 111.457 gallons = 64.89 mpg. In the same time frame my Accord shows roughly 28 mpg. That's roughly 200 gallons saved over the course of 10 months (assuming that every trip I took on a bike I would've taken on a car instead, if I did not have a bike, which is not a bad assumption because almost all of the miles on the bike are just commuting). Gas prices seemed to hover around $3 over the past year, so that would be 200 * 3 = $600 in savings.

Since we are at it, let's do some more number-crunching. Insurance costs me $16/month. $16*10 months = $160. Tabs - $55. There were 4 oil/filter changes (80, 500, 3000, 6000 miles). Each is roughly $10. Can of chain lubricant is another $10 and a can of cable lube with a contraption to apply it was another $20, and I have plenty left. So, let's say I used $15 of that stuff. I have worn ~60-70% of the rear tire and have very little wear on the front. If we were to amortize that, let's say I've used $70 worth of rubber. I do my own maintenance, so there is no added cost there. (If you pay to have your maintenance done there is no way you will save any money in this scheme.) I will not include any “upgrades”, like lights in extra pods, bigger sprocket, rack, or hard top-case, as these are technically not consumables, and I could have done without them. For simplicity's sake, let's also assume that I will completely replace all of my gear in 5 years. That'd be roughly $100/year (and is a pretty conservative estimate). Tally up... 160+55+40+15+70+100=440. There's an unknown amount of chain wear, brake pads wear, other wear, fluids needing to be changed, etc. That should easily add up to $60 per year, making the total $500 if no repairs are needed

So, by riding a bike conservatively, servicing it myself and buying inexpensive gear I am saving roughly $100 per year. At best. Realistically, I probably would just break even - the savings in gas money would be completely offset by wear & tear and maintenance costs. In other words, riding the bike only saves me money I would've spent on car maintenance.

The result is: Yes, it will save you money, in the best possible scenario. In a more likely scenario, however, the bike will cost you more to own than not to. Also, a bike any more expensive than a 250 will cost you more money than you will save in any case.

http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/I%27m_g...uying_an_EX250
This was before gas was $4 a gallon and did not take into account breakage on car or bike.

Even then he rode 7k miles in a year? thats less than 6 weeks for me. So at his $3 a gallon, he saves 100$ a year that would be 100$ a month for me in my commute.

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Anyone tried to spend $200 at Krogers on a bike? I really like A/C to. I think I'll keep a car and ride when it's convenient.

It does make sence that a bike is cheaper short term. I think long term it's better to have a car.
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