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Old 06-03-2008, 01:35 AM   #1
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just HOW bad of an idea is this...?

Please bear with me, i feel that some background is in order, so that my question(s) can be fully and adequately assessed

Ok, to be clear as to my own background re: bikes, my total time in hours astride a motorcycle could be counted on less than one hand, and every second of that was over a decade ago. I am clueless, an utter Noob, well you get the idea. but recently my wife popped up incouraging me, in light of current gas prices to look at the possibilites of motorcycles or maxi-scooters (the latter mostly for her) as daily drivers for the two of us. In the short time i have been looking into this, for myself i have mainly been looking at variants of the Honda Shadow 750 family(new Aero, Used ACE, and the like).

But as of the past two days somewhere i came across mention of the Ural, sidecar Motorcycles, went to the website and had a bit of a "oooooh, that looks neat" moment over the Gear Up, and Patrol models, esp the Gear Up. the concept of a motorcycle/road-legal atv with a cargo compartment intreigues me. plus i'm an unrepentant military history buff and the looks of the thing just kinda make me grin

for some of the same reasons (in built storage, look of a military heritage) the Royal enfield Bullet 500 "Military" has also cought my attention. an immeadiately identifiable even to me, downside to this one is that there seem to no longer be a dealer in the houston area for these.

here are the Obvious things that i personally have been able to come up with as cons for each of these

Ural:
unsure of what handling issues a heavy motorcycle+sidecar might have
Is Russian! (seriously how reliable are they and if it breaks down how expensive to fix/hard to find parts compared to a honda?)
It's around twice the price of the '08 Shadow Aero i looked at

Enfield:
Made in India, again unsure of quality/reliability and cost/availability of repair parts
it's smaller than the others i've been looking at, I'm 6' over 300lbs, and a few years back i sat down on one of these, i don't remember enough to really dissuade me but i DO have the feeling that it felt on the small side.

anyway there's my thoughts, anyone wanna take a rip at it??

seriously as the title says Just how bad of an idea are either or both of these??

thanks in advance for any info, advice you can give me.
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Old 06-03-2008, 01:39 AM   #2
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Actually if you go to Gulf coast BMW on college and 45 youll get the best info. They are dealers.
Those things are cool as . They had one there last time i went, but that was a while ago.
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Old 06-03-2008, 06:26 AM   #3
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there was an article on both of these in cycle world a few years back. look for it, that could be a big help. I want to say there were reliability issues on both bikes.
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:49 AM   #4
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The second bike with the sidecar is really a good looking bike.
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Old 06-03-2008, 10:15 AM   #6
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Also, know that a motorycle with a side car does NOT steer the same way a motorcycle does. There is no counter steer needed, you steer a trike or bike with a sidecar the same way you do a car. Turn wheel left, go left. If that was on a motorcycle, you'd turn right because of the countersteer. My mom likes those Ural and Enfields, she wants to get one but I told her to stay away from them. They might be ok for Bombay or Dehli, but not houston if you ask me. Far too many nutjobs on 4 wheels, you need a powerful bike that can get out of the way of them. These may be nimble, but they certainly don't have any "get the out of the way of something" speed.
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Old 06-03-2008, 10:20 AM   #7
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:30 AM   #8
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Hi guys - as someone who has actually riden a URAL w/sidecar (I helped the BMW guys clean up after the Bay Area Rally). Don't buy one! As I told the BMW USA guys after I rode it from Space Center Houston to the shop - "The best way to lose a sale on one of these is to let them ride it."

The URAL is slow, sluggish, and hard to ride, definately not something for a noob.

Go try on bikes at the stores for comfort and then you will get a metric cruiser or sport bike.

Best of luck - get out and ride!!!!
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Old 06-03-2008, 01:10 PM   #9
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so in other words forget em both, buy a honda and add saddle bags?

figured as much, but you how it is, if you know very little it's sometimes helpful to hear others talk the sense you knew already.
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Actually if you go to Gulf coast BMW on college and 45 youll get the best info. They are dealers.
Those things are cool as . They had one there last time i went, but that was a while ago.
they are neato, but parts are a and they dont haul to much, kinda a putt around hauler.
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We had a Ural at a shop I worked at, it was fun in the parking lot but most people that thried it said that they wouldn't want to ride it very far. I never got it over about 50 mph and turned around when I got to the Fred Hartman bridge.
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