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Old 05-29-2008, 04:29 PM   #81
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I find that even though I have a slipper clutch, I still get a little hop or chatter(much less than with no slipper clutch) unless I blip the throttle. Only under hard braking though.

*not "coaching" anyone...just sharing my opinion...on a forum...something designed to share opinions...alike or differing...
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No, I understand your point, he doesn't work for LSTD, so I'm not trying to pimp him out as one of our instructors, I was trying to make a point to you that you have to ignore the "Jody-isms" of his internet persona.

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Here is a youtube of me riding an RC51 at TWS (Texas World Speedway). Not a fast pace (it was someone else's bike!), but you can hear me "blip" the throttle on a bunch of the down shifts to match the RPM and limit wheel hop in to the corner:

*disclaimer, I don't pretend to be perfect at this stuff, so take it with a grain of salt. Point is to hear the "blip" while down shifting, nothing else.
yeah thanks for that video! great now i got something new to learn now
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Jerran, most slipper clutches are adjustable. I don't know about the stock Suzuki slipper (I didn't know the '06 came with one), but it sounds like it's either adjusted too tightly or maybe the stocker doesn't slip as much as an aftermarket? :shrugs:

I've ridden an '05 750 with a slipper, and our endurance bike has a slipper (SV), I'm able to grab 2-3 downshifts with either of them and dump the clutch lever with no ill affects.
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those slippers are high price huh?
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Jerran, most slipper clutches are adjustable. I don't know about the stock Suzuki slipper (I didn't know the '06 came with one), but it sounds like it's either adjusted too tightly or maybe the stocker doesn't slip as much as an aftermarket? :shrugs:

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My 06 750 did and the slipper was way tight. It slid out on 3090 more times than I care to remember.
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those slippers are high price huh?
Usually about $750+ clutch plates (fibers and steels), sometimes you have to get new springs too.
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My 06 750 did and the slipper was way tight. It slid out on 3090 more times than I care to remember.
Yeah, both the GSXR and our SV have Yoyodyne slippers. The '05 750 didn't come with one stock, so I don't know how a stocker acts.

Seems like even a stock slipper should be adjustable though...
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Yeah, both the GSXR and our SV have Yoyodyne slippers. The '05 750 didn't come with one stock, so I don't know how a stocker acts.

Seems like even a stock slipper should be adjustable though...
Someone stole it before I really got a chance to play with it
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Anyone got any experience with the 06 R6 stock slipper clutch?

I'm about to jump on one and just wanted to find out what I could expect to get out of it.

It'll be my first bike with a slipper.......I'm so excited!

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Anyone got any experience with the 06 R6 stock slipper clutch?

I'm about to jump on one and just wanted to find out what I could expect to get out of it.

It'll be my first bike with a slipper.......I'm so excited!

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R6 stock slipper is tight and will hold the wheel at high speed. There are modded threads in R6 forums that could help you with Q & A's about removing one of the clutch springs.
I have removed/cut 1 from the the 3's that was in it. It made a big difference. Some takes 2 out of 3. I reccomend just 1.
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R6 stock slipper is tight and will hold the wheel at high speed. There are modded threads in R6 forums that could help you with Q & A's about removing one of the clutch springs.
I have removed/cut 1 from the the 3's that was in it. It made a big difference. Some takes 2 out of 3. I reccomend just 1.
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I'll look into it.

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Thank you all for confusing the out of me! Just kidding. Thank you all for the numerous ideas and suggestions. I was glad to learn that what I tried (blipping the throttle) to overcome it is one of common ways to avoid the problem. It worked when I did it right but itís new to me and will require some refinement.
Tom, I remembered what you said about letting the clutch out smoothly and though I tried, it didnít work too well. One of the mods on my bike is a cable clutch conversion and I noticed right away that it feels more like an on / off switch than any clutch Iíve ever used.
Leaving it in third sounds like a good idea to me at this time. One less thing to concentrate on and I can always downshift when Iím slowed down and want to accelerate. It may even help me to carry more speed into the turn. I think I may have been slowing too much before the turn and often actually accelerating into it. That = Not Fast, right?
As for rear brakes, I just donít think I could ever get myself to use them until Iím straight up, off the track and headed for a fence. Trail braking is something Iíll think about down the road, or maybe not so far down the road if Iím going to be leaving it in third and carrying more speed. A slipper clutch would really be the easiest way out but not for me on this bike right now.
Anyway, except for all the talk about and such (which is entertaining though not really helpful) youíve all made some great points for me to consider soÖ..THANKS!

And now for another somewhat related question. What about gearing? Mineís the stock 17/40 now and I have a 520-conversion kit to 16/42 sitting right next to me. Should I install it?
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Dang, 17/40? I don't know what comes stock, but that doesn't sound like a good combo for some reason... that may be some of your problem.

Sounds like maybe your clutch needs some adjustment too (the cable or slave).

Slipper clutches are expensive, but on our race SV, it is AWESOME!

Remember too what we talked about with the throttle and being smooth with it- you left a lot of rubber snakes out of the corners with a heavy throttle hand (not that it doesn't look cool... ).

Gearing on my 600 and our SV endurance ride varies from track to track, but stock gearing and chain size usually works just fine until you get more seat time on you. I'd go back to stock gearing with 525 chain until you get some more experience. It may be more forgiving, and will definitely last longer. The aluminum sprockets with the 520 size will not last long.

IIRC, 16/ 45 is stock on that bike, but I've been wrong many times before.
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Did a little research and 17/40 is stock. Oh well, I guess that's not it!

Stick with stock unless you feel like it's not controllable coming out of the corners like it is. Shouldn't be though. Coming in to the corner won't really be affected too much or at all by gearing.
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Thanks!

I'll look into it.

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i rode a stock 2006 R6 and didnt have a single problem with the slipper clutch. it works flawlessly in my opinion. the handling of that bike is awsome. one of the best handling bikes ive ever riddin hands down. we took it straight from the showroom floor out to TWS (Texas World Speedway) and turned 1:53's without touching a dial. we simply put DOT race tires on it and rode the out of it. the only thing that didnt impress me on that bike was the motor. it seemed gutless. you better be prepared to ride that thang bangin it off the rev limiter the entire time. if it falls below 12,000 rpm it falls flat on its face. but other than that... its a great bike
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1. you would think with all your track experience you would know what the definition of trailbraking is...

2. knowing and agreeing with the correct definition of a word is hardly coaching.

3. you're much cooler than I am
i wasnt even refering to you in the first place. so sorry you took offense to what i had to say. and your right ! i am cooler than you & way faster too
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so true...would you mind showing me how to be faster and cooler? :dontknow:
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