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Old 05-22-2008, 10:26 AM   #1
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Unhappy I am doing it wrong!

Come to find out, apparently I take turns the wrong way.

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I am on I-45 South taking the ramp to get onto I-10 West. Its a large sweeping right ramp.
I push with my right hand, initiating the turn. 1/3 of the way I start to accelerate. Push more with the right hand to correct going too wide. Lean a little to the left because I feel like my knee is about to start scraping and the bike would fall over.

Last night I talked to few people and they told me to not to use the hands after I initiated the turn. They said to move my body off the bike and not apply any pressure on handlebars.
Ok fair enough. I try to do it that way. Now I feel like I am doing it too much and I am even closer to the ground and now I am going to narrow on the turn. Who can explain or show this to me?
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Old 05-22-2008, 10:32 AM   #2
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Go to the track and learn how to turn. Houston freeways have alot of greasy nasty stuff on them. I wouldn't trust my tires at "full tilt" on these streets/highways.
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I am on I-45 South taking the ramp to get onto I-10 West. Its a large sweeping right ramp.
I push with my right hand, initiating the turn. 1/3 of the way I start to accelerate. Push more with the right hand to correct going too wide. Lean a little to the left because I feel like my knee is about to start scraping and the bike would fall over.
Don't counter-lean.
Better, slow down and don't try to take high speed turns on public streets.
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Old 05-22-2008, 10:39 AM   #4
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Body position is one thing, but I use the bars to do all my steering. Regardless of how you do it, you have to countersteer to get the bike to change direction.

And even tho you feel like you are close to the ground, odds are you aren't. Have some one follow you and watch, and then stop and discuss.
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Old 05-22-2008, 10:41 AM   #5
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I ride a 250... doing +5 on the speed limit max daily. How is that high speed?
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Old 05-22-2008, 10:46 AM   #6
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Drag that knee
jk jk jk, not on the streets atleast.
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I am just trying to see how to do this right.
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I know it's late in the game, but didn't you take MSF or are you just trying to learn lean angles better? If it's the latter, you prob. should do a track day. Otherwise take the BRC again or take the ARC once you've reached 3000 miles.
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I am just trying to see how to do this right.
come practice at the track....not highway overpasses
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Everybody is going to have their own style or preference. I usually push on the bars and lean my upper body a little when just cruising around. I don't hang my body off until I'm going faster or using most of my tires. On the 250 though you have to hang off a little earlier or your going to start dragging parts at which point your near the edge of your rear tire anyway.

Are you riding with anybody now, or always alone?
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I am just trying to see how to do this right.
Biggest thing is figure out what is comfortable for you?

The basics are countersteer, look thru the turn, and smooth transition from braking to throttle. You shouldn't have to hang off or stick a knee out on a 250 for most street cornering speeds.

Two reasons to hang off: To get more weight to the inside, and to get the bike more upright for more corner clearance/speed.

Keep the elbows bent, arms relaxed. Look thru the turn, where you want to go. Try getting your head and upper body to the inside of the turn, by the mirror.
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Old 05-22-2008, 10:58 AM   #14
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youre probably not as close to the ground as you think.....more riding time will= more confidence....

if youre having to over work a turn, do you have flat/squared center tires?

btw-who the are you? never met ya last night
Tires are still in pretty good shape.

I was at the BW3 meet last night then went to ASI. Yellow jacket.. Had a light rainbow shirt on.
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push right go right, push harder right turn harder right, push right pull left turn hella right

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Old 05-22-2008, 11:03 AM   #16
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I did take the MSF. And I do the whole push pull thing.

My question is. Should I push pull or lean off the bike to make it turn.
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I did take the MSF. And I do the whole push pull thing.

My question is. Should I push pull or lean off the bike to make it turn.
Both you should first lean and then counter steer. You will not go as low but you will be a much better passenger on your bike. Yes, you are a passenger even if your the one holding the bars
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I did take the MSF. And I do the whole push pull thing.

My question is. Should I push pull or lean off the bike to make it turn.
Both, but you cannot turn without the push pull. If you aren't comfortable leaning off a bit, just stay centered on the bike and lean with it.

I've met more than one rider who thought leaning or hanging off was all there was to it, and didn't even know how to countersteer. They also couldn't corner for .
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I did take the MSF. And I do the whole push pull thing.

My question is. Should I push pull or lean off the bike to make it turn.
for houston streets i wouldnt think hangin off bike close to scraping knee wouldn't be the best choice but on track sounds good i was taught at msf to counter steer and lean WITH bike not hang off
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