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Old 05-22-2008, 09:48 AM   #1
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Turns: Elbows in or Elbows out?

One technique we were taught when taking our sportbikes (with clip-ons) through a turn, was to drop and relax your outside elbow, as you get off the seat and lean into the turn. Simple enough a concept.

However, someone just told me that on a Naked bike (like mine), with handlebars, the technique is the opposite. Elbows out for quicker steering. The topic came up because we were talking about my trackday pic,
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when I "acknowledged" my technique was wrong with my elbows out, foot position, etc. Even though I was told about the elbows in technique, I just couldn't do it with my wide bars, and I felt less in control when I did try to tuck them in. He said I was actually doing it correctly with my elbows out.

Anyone know the truth of the matter?
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Old 05-22-2008, 09:52 AM   #2
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Old 05-22-2008, 09:59 AM   #3
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I think whatever feels better. I ride with my elbows out, but that is usually because I have long arms.

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Old 05-22-2008, 10:07 AM   #4
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Didn't realize it was a stupid question.
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Itís not a stupid question.

Like said already, whatever feels comfortable and keeps tension off the bars.

Youíll never know if you donít ask. :/:

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Hmmm....

Didn't realize it was a stupid question.
At the 03/08 Noob Trackday with LMS, Buck Beasely and Larry Meyers (I think), were demonstrating the proper technique for hanging off the bike when taking a turn. Larry specifically demonstrated to drop the outside elbow and relax that arm. Thus my question, since they were demonstrating on a trackbike, the proper technique for a road course.
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At the 03/08 Noob Trackday with LMS, Buck Beasely and Larry Meyers (I think), were demonstrating the proper technique for hanging off the bike when taking a turn. Larry specifically demonstrated to drop the outside elbow and relax that arm. Thus my question, since they were demonstrating on a trackbike, the proper technique for a road course.
I don't know because I'm a noob, but maybe the dropping the elbow is just a way to get you to relax, I guess it could be that the relaxed position and not death gripping the bars and putting excess pressure is the main thing, the dropped elbow could be just a detail
but then again I could be way wrong, I'm just speculating.
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At the 03/08 Noob Trackday with LMS, Buck Beasely and Larry Meyers (I think), were demonstrating the proper technique for hanging off the bike when taking a turn. Larry specifically demonstrated to drop the outside elbow and relax that arm. Thus my question, since they were demonstrating on a trackbike, the proper technique for a road course.
Dropping the arm is probably a good idea for someone starting off. Keeps you from wanting to tense up on the bar a little more then you would if your elbow was all cocked to the outside.

But once again, whatever is more comfortable and keeps tension of the bars, is the right way for you. Everyone rides different, there are very few things that are considered completely wrong and right when it comes to body position. It’s mostly about preference. But not all things are going to feel comfortable when your doing it right.......atleast not at first.

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you should be able to take your outside hand off the grip going through the turn. It should be very relaxed and stretched out not at a 90 bend, if your hangin way off
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Itís not a stupid question.

Like said already, whatever feels comfortable and keeps tension off the bars.

Youíll never know if you donít ask. :/:

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Just buy a track bike, problem solved!

I don't know, I'd just say be comfortable and go with the flow of the bike. Relaxing and letting the bike do the work is the key. If you're comfortable with it in the air, do that. I have no track exp though so take what I say with a grain of salt.
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Dropping the arm is probably a good idea for someone starting off. Keeps you from wanting to tense up on the bar a little more then you would if your elbow was all cocked to the outside.

But once again, whatever is more comfortable and keeps tension of the bars, is the right way for you. Everyone rides different, there are very few things that are considered completely wrong and right when it comes to body position. It’s mostly about preference. But not all things are going to feel comfortable when your doing it right.......atleast not at first.

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I'm still struggling with my body position.

I'm a noob to the track yes.........but I'm no stranger to the struggle of unlocking pandora's box to being fast through corners.

Body position as been a thorn in my side for some while.

But thanks to the guys at LMS (yes, I'm helping with their advertising efforts......do I get paid to endorse them like this?) I'm getting closer to getting it right!

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if ur gonna atack the corner... its better to have your elbows up. just ask Danny Walker from American Supercamp.
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if ur gonna atack the corner... its better to have your elbows up. just ask Danny Walker from American Supercamp.

Or look at Ben Spies.......

But doing whats comfortable for a beginner is probably best. You can get the job done both ways.......

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Elbows in or out doesn't matter in the long run. The reason noobs are told elbows in is that with the elbows in you're FORCED to take pressure off the bars. You have no leverage with your elbows tucked in. If you're more comfortable with your elbows out, especially on a bike with high/wide bars, then do it. Just make sure you're loose.
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Elbows in on the straights.
Elbows out in the turns.
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Hmmm....

Didn't realize it was a stupid question.
Did not mean to offend. It is not a stupid question but, each bike and every turn approached on that bike is instrumental to itself and the rider. Finding your own pace and comfortability at that pace is the first step. Getting to the next step will begin with trust of yourself, your bike and someone who can critique your riding in the real environment.

Sorry for not putting all that together for you at first but, I am sure you will remember these words now.
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Not to sound like a commercial but, our very own BigComfy is an instructor for LSTD's C group and is well educated on how to put a bike with high wide bars around the track at a blistering pace. A little face time with him may provide useful. I have heard that he dispenses knowledge for Coors Lite.
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