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Old 05-22-2008, 02:09 AM   #41
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FYI - USAA goes through Progressive for the motorcycle insurance...also the insurance discount is 10% like stated before (it defensive driving for motorcycles lol) but not all insurance companies offer the discount, progressive used to not and now they do
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Old 05-22-2008, 07:53 AM   #42
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lets say i don't wanna pay for it by choice, does that mean i shouldn't be here ?
what kinda fked members does this community have ? i choose freewill. if it gets me banned, so be it.

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Do what you gotta do dude. Just remember, nobody in this thread is perfect. "Pro's", preachers and teachers have and will screw up at one point or another. No amount of experience can keep you from death/injury when riding. happens.

Advice from other riders is nice and can be noted, but honestly, I would try to make it out to an MSF course. Good luck
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:16 AM   #43
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I'd recommend that anyone that is interested in becoming a better rider get a hold of and read any one of the great motorcycling books that are already published. They have proven knowledge from years of experience and are a consistent source of good information.

Visualization is a key part of learning and spending time thinking about riding techniques while you are not on the bike can help for when you are on the bike.

I own both Sport Riding Techniques and Total Control. I usually reread Total Control once a month or so just to keep everything freshed in my mind. I love that book.

Edit: (Clicked Submit too early) I'm not saying that reading a book is a substitute for real world experience, but the more you think about proper riding techniques the better.
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:29 AM   #44
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I think it's a cool idea, I think there was already a thread like this and for the most part everyone pointed to MSF
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Wouldn't taking the MSF course be a pro active step?:dontknow:

Nothing wrong with learning from other riders, you just have to be able to screen out all the bullsh!t. That can be tough to do if someone(either listener or "teacher") is just plain ignorant about the subject which then leads to misinformation being passed on.
If you really want to be self taught then go pick up a copy of the Tx.DPS Motorcycle Operator's Manual for starters. Here's a link if you don't have time to pick one up in person http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/msb/dl-8.pdf
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:39 AM   #46
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I should clarify. When I say there is nothing wrong with learning from other riders, I mean picking up a few pointers here and there not learning how to properly operate a motorcycle.
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I took my MSF and learned a ton. There was only one draw back, you never venture out on the public roads. You don't have to contend with things like cages, potholes, puddles on curves, etc in MSF classes. I'm not knocking it and I'd suggest that anyone thinking of riding take it because it can save your life. But sharing tips/techniques, stories, and maybe even a noob group ride would help a ton. After a few group rides, I learned a lot more that I didn't get a chance the learn in the class. Any wise noob would be all over the idea.
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lets say i don't wanna pay for it by choice, does that mean i shouldn't be here ?
what kinda fked members does this community have ? i choose freewill. if it gets me banned, so be it.

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whats your reason not to take msf? i cant think of a good one if you haven't taken the class already, even if you've been riding for awhile i'm pretty sure you'll pick up a few good tips. f*ked members? he's trying to point people in the safer direction and prevent less incidents.
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How can anyone be against a discussion on safety? What the ...

A round-table discussion about technique and safety is going to teach someone SOMETHING, and most likely will get a bunch of opinions out there to think about. You see it a lot in the aviation community, and it benefits everyone.

Getting together and discussing technique is an excellent idea. Even if there are differing opinions about something like the correct technique. Let everyone express their opinions, and you can choose on your own which you agree with. There is no one way to ride a motorcycle, no best technique for every situation on every bike for every rider. A discussion on safety can only be a good thing, and might give some useful insight into the decision making process for a particular situation, and how different riders might approach it.

Start off with a disclaimer that it's a discussion, not a class, and when everyone understands that, you're golden.
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