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Old 05-21-2008, 04:18 PM   #81
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ya, you may be fast on the flat surfaces. Heads up, same bike. You give me a downhill and a tailwind and I will smoke you any day.
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Old 05-21-2008, 04:27 PM   #82
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so u slow down before the turn and kind of just cruise it with the gas and full throttle while coming out right???

i find it really dangerous to use the front break while in a turn i would thing u rather used the rear with care


im just saying cuz i dont get to lean nowhere close to yalls lean angle....i ride street so.....

but i always cover the clutch and gas at all times dont know why...i tried the throttle with a full grip and i felt weird

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Old 05-21-2008, 04:36 PM   #83
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Throttle and brake application depends on the corner and speed you carry through it.

It's not dangerous to use the brake with different methods through a corner, when used right.

Like said already, the nature of the corner and how fast your comfortable going will dictate how you use the throttle. But realisticly you want to get on the throttle soon as you can and as much as you feel comfortable doing. When you start upsetting the bike to the point it's throwing you off your line.......then you know it's too much.

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Old 05-21-2008, 04:43 PM   #84
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I noticed something the last track day I was corner working at (turn 7)
several guys (mostly level 2 but saw one or two in level 3, not going to count the cruisers) who would coast into and thru the turn and the down shift and gun it after the turn.
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noob question........

when ur going into a turn...do u want ur RPM's high..low..or it doesnt matter???
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Old 05-21-2008, 04:47 PM   #86
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so u slow down before the turn and kind of just cruise it with the gas and full throttle while coming out right???
I'm either on the gas or on the brakes, not much coasting going on. Wjen I say on the gas, that does not mean WFO. Just a possitive amount of throttle input.

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i find it really dangerous to use the front break while in a turn i would thing u rather used the rear with care
I promise you the rear brake is more dangerous

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im just saying cuz i dont get to lean nowhere close to yalls lean angle....i ride street so.....
although my speeds are lower, I ride pretty much the same on the street. I'll add that I have not had a street bike in years though.

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I'm not familiar with that track or corner, but not all corners are taken while rolling the throttle on. Some, using the throttle before the apex will you up big time and then others require you to start rolling it on(to say) as early as the turn in.

And some just play it safe and wait till they see some straight track to start giving the bike power.......but as you could probably guess......not exactly the fastest way through most corners. Your bike will naturally want to slow down when cornering. Thats why it's so important to dial in the throttle all the way through some/most corners.

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I'm either on the gas or on the brakes, not much coasting going on. Wjen I say on the gas, that does not mean WFO. Just a possitive amount of throttle input.



I promise you the rear brake is more dangerous



although my speeds are lower, I ride pretty much the same on the street. I'll add that I have not had a street bike in years though.

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noob question........

when ur going into a turn...do u want ur RPM's high..low..or it doesnt matter???
it depends on the corner, but generally on a inline 4 you want them high. the twins pull better off the bottom though

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it depends on the corner, but generally on a inline 4 you want them high. the twins pull better off the bottom though

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so ur coming strong from a straight.......hit the breakes and shift down to slow down BEFORE the turn to the speed u feel confortable with and get ur RPM's high take the turn giving it gas or brake as need it and when u feel u start coming out give it gas again to come out strong again??
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so ur coming strong from a straight.......hit the breakes and shift down to slow down BEFORE the turn to the speed u feel confortable with and get ur RPM's high take the turn giving it gas or brake as need it and when u feel u start coming out give it gas again to come out strong again??
Pretty much, but sometimes the braking will happen all the way to the apex
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im sorry i've never been to the track and im not familiar with some terms...

whats the apex??
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Old 05-21-2008, 05:57 PM   #93
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I take some pictures at the CMRA races. If a guy with yellow plates lowsides in a corner often you can go back a see that he has been trail breaking coming into the corner. White plates spend far less time with there brake on in the corner. They seem to use it only when they are in traffic. If the white plate rider is not in traffic it is not that likely that he will even have a finger out.

PS Gabe M seems to brake with middle finger a lot. That or he can see me better then most.
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Old 05-22-2008, 07:57 AM   #94
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For someone that is not familiar with CMRA, what's the difference between the Yellow and the White plates?
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Yellow plate = Novice
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For someone that is not familiar with CMRA, what's the difference between the Yellow and the White plates?
yellow plate = slow
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yellow plate = slow
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You can tell by the avatar that Jody is a black plate that means he is

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Gotcha, thanks!

So does that mean that the fast guys are generally getting in slow and coming out fast? Or just that they are actually better at setting up their corner speed before they get to the corner?
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im sorry i've never been to the track and im not familiar with some terms...

whats the apex??
Apex

Also, concerning the RPM question you mentioned. Being high in the power in a turn may actually slow a "slower" rider down. Since instead of concentrating on their line, eyes, reference points, they are busy making sure the RPM are in the sweet spot thus forgetting about the rest of the equation. I've recommended to a few peeps that seemed to be having issues with T6 at TWS (Texas World Speedway) to up shift and be out of the "sweet spot" so they would concentrate on their line instead of their engines. And they came back and said..."man i've never been that fast throught that turn before! thx". Also, this is especially beneficial if your on a bigger big(750,1k).

Some people say smooth is fast....I concur. Unless your Jody and you just want to violate the bike in every way imaginable...chains breaking and all
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Old 05-22-2008, 09:03 AM   #100
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I cover the front brake lever a lot. Just makes it easier for me to apply the brake if needed. I'm from the school of brake early (sometimes accused to braking TOO early!), get shifting done and set your speed before the turn. Here's how I cover the brake lever most of the time, street and track riding:
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