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Old 05-15-2008, 05:38 PM   #1
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covering the front brake mid corner

this is a carry over from another thread...

a new member voiced an opinion that covering the front brake midcorner could possibly lead to a highside...

personally - i think that's absurd... and i trail brake when i have to - if i'm coming into a turn too hot...

of course that leads to fast in/slow out and i prefer the opposite...

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Old 05-15-2008, 06:00 PM   #2
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I cover the front almost all the time as well....trail brake when coming in too hot FTW!!!!! However, I have almost tucked the front by grabbing just a hair too much, but out of the several times I've done trail braking, I've only had two oh sh*t here goes the front end moments....I'm all about covering the front brake...as long as you know how to do it.
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i dont cover the front brake, i get all my braking done (trail braking included) when i hit the apex, and all fingers back on the throttle.
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i dont cover the front brake, i get all my braking done (trail braking included) when i hit the apex, and all fingers back on the throttle.
would that not be mid corner?:/:
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would that not be mid corner?:/:


my bad...except i dont cover it, i use it
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:23 PM   #6
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whats trail braking ? sorry ;/:
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:43 PM   #7
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MSF teaches you to never use the front brake when in a turn, so I taught myself to trail brake with the rear brake only. No complaints. Isn't that recommended?
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I guess its a habit I learned from motocross but I ALWAYS cover my brake & clutch.
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Old 05-15-2008, 07:30 PM   #9
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whats trail braking ? sorry ;/:
Braking while leaned over going into a corner... do it carefully, though. Too much brake and your front tire will wash-out from too much cornering AND braking force combined.
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you will have to learn trail braking fast when your tryin to pass pre K on the out side on the back roads and he pushes you wide into on coming traffic
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i don't see how it will highside unless you brake and gas it at the same time but that will be a low side still. I trail brake most of the time if i am comfortable with the track and turn, if i am not then i do all my breaking before
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i don't see how it will highside unless you brake and gas it at the same time but that will be a low side still. I trail brake most of the time if i am comfortable with the track and turn, if i am not then i do all my breaking before
You will high side if you lose traction on the rear getting it to slide then it hooks and sends you flying.
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PHOTO OP!

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For some reason I use my middle finger. It has just become habit. I always cover the front brake, not the clutch.

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Old 05-15-2008, 08:46 PM   #14
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I gotta have my brakes. I tried it without it at TWS (Texas World Speedway) this past Sat. and it felt weird and lost. Almost hit someone in t10 because he slowed down lucky for me for covering the brake.
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Old 05-15-2008, 09:28 PM   #15
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I cover the brake most of the time.

Trail braking? Situation will dictate. But I cautiously do it around most of MSRH.

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Old 05-15-2008, 10:32 PM   #16
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MSF teaches you to never use the front brake when in a turn, so I taught myself to trail brake with the rear brake only. No complaints. Isn't that recommended?
Most of what MSF teaches you is thrown out the window on the track...if you're somewhat fast at least. You can't go fast and not brake into a turn (aka: trail brake). Also, you don't trail brake to mid-corner. The initial heavy braking is done upright prior to turn in and then trail brake to about 1/3 of the turn and crack open the throttle to keep the bike under some power until you are ready to pour on the power for fast out.
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This is the kind of discussion, I had in mind. I do all my breaking before the turn in and gas through the entire turn. A motorcycle turns best when the suspension is loaded to the rear. Or at least my R1 does mabe its a freak.
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Most of what MSF teaches you is thrown out the window on the track...if you're somewhat fast at least. You can't go fast and not brake into a turn (aka: trail brake). Also, you don't trail brake to mid-corner. The initial heavy braking is done upright prior to turn in and then trail brake to about 1/3 of the turn and crack open the throttle to keep the bike under some power until you are ready to pour on the power for fast out.
Not always the case. Some fast guys do ALL their braking prior to entry......some corners however are ran faster only by coming in on the brakes.

Situation will dictate rather to trail brake or not. But it's not always necessary to trail brake in order to "go fast". And some guys/gals will brake through most of the corner, even all the way to the apex! Trail braking has many different applications. Some of which will require you to slightly use the front brake mid corner.

But you are right about the initial heavy braking done before turning in. Most wise to brake hard while the bike is still somewhat upright.

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Not always the case. Some fast guys do ALL their braking prior to entry......some corners however are ran faster only by coming in on the brakes.

Situation will dictate rather to trail brake or not. But it's not always necessary to trail brake in order to "go fast". And some guys/gals will brake through most of the corner, even all the way to the apex! Trail braking has many different applications. Some of which will require you to slightly use the front brake mid corner.

But you are right about the initial heavy braking done before turning in. Most wise to brake hard while the bike is still somewhat upright.

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You are correct in that the shape, type, and camber of the turn will dictate how much trail braking you do.
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For some reason I use my middle finger. It has just become habit. I always cover the front brake, not the clutch.

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