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Old 05-13-2008, 10:08 PM   #141
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If a the same guy stole a candy bar from a store and he was shot for the infraction, would you feel sorry for him? I am not saying I would feel sorry for him, but I am not going to say he got what he deserves. The penalty of death is not the justifiable recourse against the crime of theft.
If the same guy put a gun to the owners head to steal the candy bar, then yeah, he deserves it. Your example does not compare.

Its like blaming the police officer, for a riders death, for pursuing him when he refuses to stop. If he hadnt of ran, he wouldnt have died.
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Old 05-14-2008, 02:43 PM   #142
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CHL is a concealed handgun license.

As much as I am for self defense sometimes you have to count the costs and weigh your actions in a SD situation. When I ride I'm in full gear with textile jacket, helmet, and full gauntlet race gloves gloves. Under a perfect situation in regular street clothes I can draw from concealment and fire a shot center mass at about 7 yds in about 1.2 seconds. One of the good things about IDPA shooting events is that you'll know your limitations and your equipments limitation.

Now add in sitting on a bike or standing in full gear and drawing from concealment with gloves on and accurately delivering shots to an opponent that has already taken advantage of the element of surprise and having a drawn weapon. Next add in the adrenaline dump that took place when you brain recognized the threat and you start to go through the very quick decision process of a shoot / no shoot scenario. Both you audio and visual senses are lessened at this point.

Its a tough call. But I may practice on my bike and see if this is feasible.
i agree with the comment above....i was wonderin how the you could get the gun out with gear on in time to pop a cap in their !!!!
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Old 05-14-2008, 03:05 PM   #143
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i agree with the comment above....i was wonderin how the you could get the gun out with gear on in time to pop a cap in their !!!!
Not with their gun pointed to you. But if they turned for a second or were distracted. You could get it pretty quickly. When I carry I would like to have a shoulder harness. Unzip jacket, reach in, pull out. Presto.
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Old 05-14-2008, 03:09 PM   #144
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Not with their gun pointed to you. But if they turned for a second or were distracted. You could get it pretty quickly. When I carry I would like to have a shoulder harness. Unzip jacket, reach in, pull out. Presto.
i guess if you put it that way.....i needs me a gun then !!!! dont make me have to pull out my gat and go rat a tat tat......
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Old 05-14-2008, 03:11 PM   #145
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just put a bomb on it.. as they drive off.. push the button on your cell phone.. they go boom.. society is free of one less bad guy.. and insurance company buys you a new one... you dont know why it blew up.. it just did..
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i guess if you put it that way.....i needs me a gun then !!!! dont make me have to pull out my gat and go rat a tat tat......
This is the exact holster I will get when I turn 21 and do my CHL:
PVC H170B

Seems to be perfect for concealing in a bike jacket.

swap the gun holster to the other side and you can whip that thing out while riding. I am just kidding, just kidding.
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When seconds count, the police are only minutes away... I don't understand why the law has the attitude that a life is worth more than property. For me, it has nothing to do with the value property because that can be replaced. But, more importantly, even if you are lucky enough to live through it chances are the next guy will not. The law should view it as if you are doing society a favor by eliminating a perpetrator who willing to threaten a life to steal. Such a person will always be a danger to society and it is a prime example of the law taking up for the criminal. If it can be proven that your life was threatened in any way, dismissal should unconditional. Just an opnion.
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CHL is a concealed handgun license.

As much as I am for self defense sometimes you have to count the costs and weigh your actions in a SD situation. When I ride I'm in full gear with textile jacket, helmet, and full gauntlet race gloves gloves. Under a perfect situation in regular street clothes I can draw from concealment and fire a shot center mass at about 7 yds in about 1.2 seconds. One of the good things about IDPA shooting events is that you'll know your limitations and your equipments limitation.

Now add in sitting on a bike or standing in full gear and drawing from concealment with gloves on and accurately delivering shots to an opponent that has already taken advantage of the element of surprise and having a drawn weapon. Next add in the adrenaline dump that took place when you brain recognized the threat and you start to go through the very quick decision process of a shoot / no shoot scenario. Both you audio and visual senses are lessened at this point.

Its a tough call. But I may practice on my bike and see if this is feasible.
My heart goes out to you. I cant imagine what it would feel like to be jacked like that. I do carry a revolver every where I go. NO EXCEPTIONS! Would I have shot at them ...without being there and seeing what was around me I cant honestly say. But I would hope I could at least drop the frikin that was on my bike from across the street.
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sorry to hear about that, but just so you know, it is perfectly legal to shoot them as they ride off.
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Old 05-14-2008, 11:02 PM   #150
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sorry to hear that, should have just took off, i now its easy to say but i might would have done the same thing if i was in ur shoes. good thing ur fine, there r some crazy people out there
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Old 05-14-2008, 11:52 PM   #151
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This is the exact holster I will get when I turn 21 and do my CHL:
PVC H170B

Seems to be perfect for concealing in a bike jacket.

swap the gun holster to the other side and you can whip that thing out while riding. I am just kidding, just kidding.
they dont call 'em jackass rigs for nothing.
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:02 AM   #152
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I ride with my 40 cal in a holster between my gauges and windscreen. Fits perfect in there and has no play while riding and very easy to grab. Cant see it at all since its black and my gauges and windscreen are black (Been pulled over a couple of times and not once was seen) Guy walks up to jack....accidently turn bike off.....while lifting your leg up/or makin movement to get off (since he is now lookin around for witnesses or is aware your moving around to get off so wont be focused on every little move) grab gun...ready to go. But easier said then done without me bein there and really knowin the situation
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If it were so clearly legal to shoot a fleeing suspect, the police would be popping everyone that ran. And even though we'd all like to hot the suspect for jacking us... it wouldn't go over well with the suspect's family. Even if you don't get in trouble with the law, get ready for a ridiculous civil suit.
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I ride with my 40 cal in a holster between my gauges and windscreen. Fits perfect in there and has no play while riding and very easy to grab. Cant see it at all since its black and my gauges and windscreen are black (Been pulled over a couple of times and not once was seen) Guy walks up to jack....accidently turn bike off.....while lifting your leg up/or makin movement to get off (since he is now lookin around for witnesses or is aware your moving around to get off so wont be focused on every little move) grab gun...ready to go. But easier said then done without me bein there and really knowin the situation
Sounds like a UCW case waiting to happen. Better be careful doing that.
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I ride with my 40 cal in a holster between my gauges and windscreen. Fits perfect in there and has no play while riding and very easy to grab. Cant see it at all since its black and my gauges and windscreen are black (Been pulled over a couple of times and not once was seen) Guy walks up to jack....accidently turn bike off.....while lifting your leg up/or makin movement to get off (since he is now lookin around for witnesses or is aware your moving around to get off so wont be focused on every little move) grab gun...ready to go. But easier said then done without me bein there and really knowin the situation
Careful man. If someone DOES notice it... that could end up being UCW.
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Old 05-15-2008, 03:33 AM   #156
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sorry to hear

Hope you get back to riding soon. Sooner or later those beeches will f**k with the wrong guy and end up with a bullet in the head.

Glad to hear you are okay, though. I hope the cops find your bike and all ends better than it started.
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I have been car jacked before, its easy for people to say what they would or would not do but when you have a pistol pointed at your mellon you see things a bit different. If you do carry and really pay attention you could get the upper hand, but if you f up you might be laid to rest. Lucky for me the guy could not hit the side of a building, 3 shots and did not even hit my truck...Lucky for him I was not carrying as I can hit the side of a building...
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