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Old 05-08-2008, 10:37 PM   #1
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Email this guy!

Some very biased reading for you all:

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email him for what???? What part of the story isnt true?
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What should we say in our email?

I did like in the video "They are called crotch riders"
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"What*they don't realize is that people may not see them, and they may change lanes or turn off or pull out in front of them and they just don't see them," Wickhouse says.

is that not always the case.....
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Are you retarded?

He named an exact incident.. Somebody was riding reckless, ate and he got the call.

Only thing you should do is email him and thank him for doing his job.
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"What*they don't realize is that people may not see them, and they may change lanes or turn off or pull out in front of them and they just don't see them," Wickhouse says.

is that not always the case.....
95% of the time it is.. Cagers cant see us..

The other 5% is riding outside our limits..
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"Another kind of rider..." Are sportsbikes just now hitting the northwest?
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video not working anymore. i'm not understanding why we should e-mail him because of the story though... other than to ask them to change 'crotch rocket riders' to 'squid' and mention flip flops and no helmets.
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That squidette in the pic can ride my Crotch Rocket.. Minus the Rocket..
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We could email them and explain that "crotch rockets" are what their wives/girlfriends keep in the nightstand drawer, but other than that, the article sounds correct.
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"But there's another kind of rider you need to watch out for -- a dangerous one with a strange name, reports News 11's Tim Miller. The motorcycles are called 'Crotch Rockets.'"
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Those are "Pocket" rockets....
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That squidette in the pic can ride my Crotch Rocket.. Minus the Rocket..
Had to use your line there Joe..

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Does no one realize he just lumped ALL sportbikes into the squid section. I didn't see not one interview of a motorcyclist. Did you? Besides he got the names wrong, do you not see the danger of the obviously biased reporting? If you agree with his story... then email him and say so. If you beleive all sportbike riders are reckless and dangerous, kudos to you! I don't agree with his "reporting," and plan to correct his mistakes. That infact there are responsible poeple riding sportbikes, and we don't appreciate getting associated with obvious reckless behaviour. Do you not see how the common non-motorcycling citizen could see this as truth and try to impose actions against sportbikes?
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Does no one realize he just lumped ALL sportbikes into the squid section. I didn't see not one interview of a motorcyclist. Did you? Besides he got the names wrong, do you not see the danger of the obviously biased reporting? If you agree with his story... then email him and say so. If you beleive all sportbike riders are reckless and dangerous, kudos to you! I don't agree with his "reporting," and plan to correct his mistakes. That infact there are responsible poeple riding sportbikes, and we don't appreciate getting associated with obvious reckless behaviour. Do you not see how the common non-motorcycling citizen could see this as truth and try to impose actions against sportbikes?
Not to sound like an downer ... but unfortunatly with all the squids on the streets ... it's hard for a non-rider to not lump us all in one group.
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95% of the time it is.. Cagers cant see us..

The other 5% is riding outside our limits..
I'll bet many times it's a combination of both.
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Because of these kinds of stories we are heading towards THIS:

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SB-802 GENERAL BILL by Garcia (Compare HB-137)

"Motorcycles or Mopeds/Reckless Driving [EPCC]; Provides that if a person is
operating or is in actual physical control of a motorcycle while driving recklessly,
a law enforcement officer shall arrest the person, take him or her into custody, and
seize the motorcycle. Requires that a person riding on a motorcyle or moped must
ride while sitting astride the seat with one leg on each side and with both wheels
on the ground at all times, etc."

http://tinyurl.com/yuzl2r

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Big Brother's right to seize your motorcycle has come one step closer to becoming a
reality in Florida and a nightmarish precedent for statehouses nationwide.
Yesterday, HB-137's companion bill SB-802 passed unanimously through the Florida
State Senate Transportation Committee. Here is a verbatim report from Dara "Sam"
McLain, who along with fellow bikers' rights advocate Robert "RC" Conroy attended
the meeting and spoke out against the bill:

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: SB 802 Hearing - reported by Dara "Sam" McLain

Greetings All,

Below is the summary, as I saw it, at the Hearing for SB 802, companion bill to HB
137. This comes late because I was busy doing work (ya, I have a day job) this
afternoon that I should have been doing this morning while I was at the Senate
building with RC attending the hearing.

In a room about 3/4 full, there were THREE bikers present to support our position
opposing this bill. THREE BIKERS; Florida Abate President, RC and myself. The Abate
President arrives with a companion, but it is not known if she is a biker or not.
Either way, not one Sport Biker stepped forward to state his or her position. There
were none in the room that I could see. From my perspective, it appears Sport Bikers
are just not concerned about having their bikes confiscated, and their licenses
taken from them for ten years. As a rider of 30+ years, I find that very
distasteful. My bike has two wheels, so does yours. How dare you diminish my right
to ride free by your apathy.As most of you know, this bill started out discriminatory against all bikers,
outlined a severe penalty for infractions, and is largely redundant, given the laws
on the books already for reckless driving.

And as things progressed, amendments were made to HB 137 and text was changed to
include all drivers. However, HB 137 still called out motorcycles specifically, and
defines somewhat specifically what constitutes non-stunt riding; i.e. two wheels on
the ground at all times, one leg on both sides of the bike, etc.

Legislators are adamant that those who pull wheelies at high speeds, weave in and
out of traffic at high speeds, or simply ride their bikes at high speed, will pay
the consequences. Even if they didn't add the text to [lamely] exclude those of us
who ride motorcycles that won't perform these types of stunts, I'd still know they
meant Sport Bike riders. Legislators were VERY specific about who is targeted by
this bill. My fear, and that of others, is law enforcement won't bother to
distinguish between the two.

At the first hearing, I and others, protested that, among other things, this bill is
one-sided. Their aim, they said, is to prevent senseless death of these Sport Bike
riders. While we pointed out they were ignoring the senseless death of many more
riders that happen daily at the hands of distracted drivers who go unpunished.

So, late last night, an amendment was added to SB 802, to stiffen the penalties of
drivers who cause death or injury to another through a traffic violation. For
whatever reason - a dangling carrot, an honest concern, whatever - it was added to
this bill. However, and far more importantly, SEIZURE is still very much alive in
this bill. Fine me $1000, give me jail time, take away my endorsement for a period
of time, but the government does not have the right to confiscate my motorcycle.
Period. The Forfeiture law was enacted to prevent the continuation of drug
manufacture and sale after the dealer was convicted. Confiscating cars and/or
motorcycles for driving violations is out of those bounds and unconstitutional.

Sadly, many Senators who are fairly new to this bill, are so focused on the Sport
Bike issue that they immediately shot down this amendment that might have done some
good. So once again, we are back at square one, and this bill is still very much
alive! And again, where the was the support?? Where are all the Sport Bike
riders who oppose this bill? I can almost understand the biker community who does
not ride the sport bikes not having a concern, but this bill seriously targets Sport
bikers. Do you not care? Or are you merely waiting for those of us who are willing
to fight for our freedom to do it for you?

Once the new amendment was read, the only opposing comment from the Transportation
Committee was how much of a fiscal "burden" it might be for the state to fork up
room and board (jail time) for a driver who kills in the process of a traffic
violation! This was Senator Paula Dockery I believe. (Without a seating chart and
"name tags" I can't be sure.) From my point of view, she didn't care one iota
whether bikers died on the road at the hands of incompetent drivers. She couldn't
get this amendment killed fast enough. In fact, I didn't get the impression that
she, or several others, cared one bit about any death of a motorcyclist. (Senator
Dockery goes up on the political candidate do-not-vote-for Wall-of-Shame). And this
leads me to believe that the motive for this bill and HB 137, from the beginning, is
not to stop any deaths, but to catch the culprits and make some money from it. I'll
be writing to Senator Dockery to express my distaste over her obvious lack of
concern for!
those who die at the hands of distracted and incompetent drivers.

It should be noted that Senator Baker spoke very much in favor of the stiffer
penalty amendment, as did Senator Garcia. They both seem to "get it" about ROWV
causing so many motorcycle deaths. The Florida Abate President spoke in support of
the amendment and expressed disappointment in this action to strike. RC and I
declined to speak on behalf of the amendment, stating we would speak on the bill
itself.
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Continued:

The bill was brought to the table and Senator Garcia, the sponsor of the bill,
declined to speak until all were heard. Again, the Florida Abate president informed
the committee that his organization opposed the bill in it's entirety. He testified
that confiscation of property costs the state money.

Next was RC, who covered several points; penalties covered in this bill for stunt
riding far exceed those of incompetent auto drivers who kill and maim
riders, the redundancy of the bill to existing laws, and discrimination of
motorcyclists.

I was last to speak, as no others stepped forward. I expressed extreme
disappointment in the attitude of the committee of placing a fiscal value on the
death of another and refusing to entertain the amendment put forth by Senator
Garcia. I also spoke of the unconstitutionality of property seizure, and that civil
seizure does not provide for Due Process; that 80% of forfeitures are seized from
those who are never charged with a crime.

Senator Alex Villalobos challenged my comments on forfeiture, and I pointed out that
the bill is littered with text that says the officer "shall arrest the perpetrator,
throw him in jail, and seize the property", and that a court "official" shall
determine the outcome. That sounded to me like the officer can make the decision of
guilt on the fly, and your property seized without proof of the crime. Only one line
in the bill said that forfeiture would occur "if" convicted.

For those who are unaware of what Civil Forfeiture might mean to you, here's a few
highlights. You are NOT entitled to a trial by jury. You are NOT entitled to an
Attorney (except if you want to pay a $10k retainer yourself to regain $4000 worth
of personal property). You are guilty until proven innocent and the burden of
proving your innocence is on YOU, at your expense. Even if you are acquitted or
found not guilty of any charges, THEY CAN STILL KEEP YOUR MOTORCYCLE.

It goes without saying that once motorcycles are targeted in any way for
confiscation, by law, law enforcement will add that to their list of revenue
generation. This happens daily already. Bikers are pulled over and cited for minor
infractions, such as handlebar height, and their bikes are confiscated. Even if the
citation is invalid and proven so, the owner must still pay very high fees to
release his/her property from impoundment. If the process takes too long, the
property may be sold, and the owner will never recover the property at all, or the
money it was sold for.

John L. Worrall, Department of Criminal Justice, California State University at San
Bernardino, said it very aptly, "A conflict of interest between effective crime
control and creative fiscal management will persist so long as law enforcement
agencies remain dependent on civil asset forfeiture."

Furthermore, 80% of property forfeited to US government agencies in the last decade
was seized from owners who were never charged with a crime! Over $7 Billion has been
forfeited to the government since 1985. Florida is about to add motorcycles to that
equation.

Senator Garcia presented the same video that was shown at the first hearing on HB
137. And again, it elicited gasps and outrage from the committee members, and many
in the audience.

Following the video, Senator Larcenia Bullard spoke on the attributes of
motorcyclists. She said she used to think we were all bad people. Then she
discovered that we are people just like anyone else, and she learned of the
charities we contribute to, and the selfless acts of kindness bikers are known for.

But hard on the heels of these very kind words, she stated that those who ride Sport
Bikes in the manner depicted on the video deserve this severe punishment and she
supported this bill 100%.

The committee vote was unanimous. To those of you who didn't show up to oppose this
bill, at any of the three hearings so far, thank you very much for helping to push
through one of the most damaging and nebulous bills I've ever seen.

I want to thank all of you who put forth so much effort in sending your views
through mail, email and phone calls. I know it has helped to get text changes in
this bill. Please continue to write to the committee members and express your
extreme opposition to forfeiture.

However, Sport Bike riders be forewarned, if and when this law goes into effect in
October, you WILL be targeted by law enforcement, profiled, and falsely accused even
if you ride safe and sane, and never do any of these stunts. I am sure that law
enforcement will make it a priority to help you rack up your offences so they can
confiscate your bike. And since you have made no effort whatsoever to represent
yourselves at these hearings, you will have no one to blame but the man/woman in the
mirror. I wish you luck, you'll need it. This bill is well on its way to becoming
law in October, in
spite of our best efforts.
Respectfully,
Dara McLain
aka Sam


This was not the first time such apathy was observed. At the first set of hearings the only people there in opposition were the dealers association and two motorcyclists.

And in case it's difficult to understand why we all get tagged with this misnomer take a look at Lopez-Cantera's ammo that he dragged in to the senate and hung us with.

http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=188989


How can we defend this when we know people who do this and we know this is why we are labled ?

This is why I'll stick with going to the track when I can go.

This is by no means a geographic anomoly.
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Because of so many squids on the road, we are getting more stories like this. You and most people on here are 'good guys' and don't **** up, but I can honestly say I see 5-6 bikes in improper gear or acting stupid for every 1 person riding safely in this area (admittedly, a lot of those people are cruisers wearing vests, bandanas, and shades for safety gear). so let's say I see 2-3 sport bike riders that fit the stories definition for every 1 I see that is safe. This isn't a matter of a few people ruining it for the majority, from my experience (not counting meet and greets of course) most riders are a danger. I hate that those laws are happening, but to be fair I don't mind seeing the squids lose their bikes at the risk that I may **** up and lose mine too.
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ok, that is ****ed up, i started posting before you had the second half up.
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