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Old 04-28-2008, 10:09 PM   #1
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VIN Questions..

Ok, so if i were to buy an unstamped race frame from someone that has a bill of sale, would it be legal to have the vin numbers from my titled frame stamped onto the new frame?

If it is legal, anyone know how to get it stamped?
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Old 04-28-2008, 10:25 PM   #2
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I highly doubt that it's ever legal to alter or misrepresent VIN numbers
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I figured it might work the same way as you would have a dirtbike frame stamped and registered.. I've heard of it being done, I just dont know if its legal or not... I hope it isnt
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best advise is to go to the court house and ask, they'll tell you what can be done.
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Old 04-29-2008, 04:07 PM   #5
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Old 04-29-2008, 04:26 PM   #6
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it is illegal.
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Sec. 31.11. Tampering with Identification Numbers.
(a) A person commits an offense if the person:
(1) knowingly or intentionally removes, alters, or obliterates the serial number or other permanent identification marking on tangible personal property; or
(2) possesses, sells, or offers for sale tangible personal property and:
(A) the actor knows that the serial number or other permanent identification marking has been removed, altered, or obliterated; or
(B) a reasonable person in the position of the actor would have known that the serial number or other permanent identification marking has been removed, altered, or obliterated.
(b) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this section that the person was:
(1) the owner or acting with the effective consent of the owner of the property involved;
(2) a peace officer acting in the actual discharge of official duties; or
(3) acting with respect to a number assigned to a vehicle by the Texas Department of Transportation and the person was:
(A) in the actual discharge of official duties as an employee or agent of the department; or
(B) in full compliance with the rules of the department as an applicant for an assigned number approved by the department.
(c) Property involved in a violation of this section may be treated as stolen for purposes of custody and disposition of the property.

(d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.

(e) In this section, "vehicle" has the meaning given by Section 541.201, Transportation Code.
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thanks, appreciate it
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it's nothing i'd put on blast but you can buy a wrecked frame with good title and put those number on your good race frame...it might not be legal if you do it..but once it's done..who can tell?
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in a nut-shell its legal and its not worth the consequences but if the deal is too good to pass up, get err done and it will be our secret.
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in a nut-shell its illegal and its not worth the consequences
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yes sir thanx, that's what my small brain was tryin to get through to my fingers I have a loose wire somewhere in there. good lookin out. illegal yes indeed
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not completly illegal.

but you definatly cant do it yourself.

im not sure the legal way, i have heard if you buy the frame through the dealership, and you send your old frame to the manufacturer with the vin on it, they will stamp the new frame for you.

you definatly cant have 2 frames with the same vin, no matter if one is busted or not. definatly not if they are both in usable condition.

also heard the dps or some division of police or whatnot can do it, but its probably not worth the time money and trouble to do that way.
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it's nothing i'd put on blast but you can buy a wrecked frame with good title and put those number on your good race frame...it might not be legal if you do it..but once it's done..who can tell?
every dps officer in the state of texas. Bad advise, felony advise.

call 713-308-3564(dps theft), tell them what you just said in above post.

Although I'm sure they already know, anyone that that can type "vin stamp" in the search will see.
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