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Old 04-24-2008, 08:11 PM   #41
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I am not saying he deserves to die at all I am saying even if he was speeding I dont think it is his fault
He drove his motorcycle into a car at excessive speed on a residential street. Whatever other contributing factors there were, he has primary responsibility.
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He drove his motorcycle into a car at excessive speed on a residential street. Whatever other contributing factors there were, he has primary responsibility.
if he was riding the speed limit what is a beer can going to do to him. It is not like she was young and hot and flashed him or something.
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cant consider him wrong for speeding thats all I am saying
oh come on man! turn off the mtv and understand we are all responsible for our own actions, I am sure the speeding played a part in this, surely he didnt deserve to die, but he may have been an instigating as well, end result, I'm guessing she is still wrong, no matter his speed.
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if he was riding the speed limit what is a beer can going to do to him. It is not like she was young and hot and flashed him or something.
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The part about you guys crying about speeding is bullshit every one speeds mostly motorcycles you ride one you know you can get caught speeding at any wrong time dont act like you never speed where and when your problem you can be guilty of the same so what if he was speeding 95% bikes speed dont tell me you ride your sport bike or harley speed limit all the time
...more of the same horseshit excuses.

If a cat, dog or kid...ran out, or someone missed a basktball pass instead or missed catching a frisbee what do you think might have happened?

Primary responsibility was in the seat of the rider... legal speed, more time to observe & react.
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I find it interesting no one pionted out a car pulled out in front of him. LOL hypocrites was not a philosopher.
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i dont know if anyone ever has noticed or not, but they tend to pin motorcylce wrecks/ fatalities with speeding, whether it is true or not... i actually witness a wreck on 1960 where a car simply cut off a motorcycle and hit him, and the papers threw in there that it was speeding that caused the wreck, and its bs... whether he was speeding or not, he didnt deserve to die...everyone on here speeds at one point or another, bikes do that to you, come on
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i dont know if anyone ever has noticed or not, but they tend to pin motorcylce wrecks/ fatalities with speeding, whether it is true or not... i actually witness a wreck on 1960 where a car simply cut off a motorcycle and hit him, and the papers threw in there that it was speeding that caused the wreck, and its bs... whether he was speeding or not, he didnt deserve to die...everyone on here speeds at one point or another, bikes do that to you, come on
and everybody here has also thrown something at somebody before. so if i throw something at you (never mentioned that she hit him) which cause you to get distracted, fall down the stairs, and break your neck.... what am i getting charged with?

I guess we all interpret the law differently. which is actually a good thing.
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The article says that she was reportedly angry of motorcycles speeding down her street. Thats why she threw the can at him. It's a messed up way to handle it but what a dumb for speeding down that street.

Young kids do that in my hood too and I got small kids that play in my front yard , that chit is dumb and it me off. People should know to slow down around kids. Still though the can at a biker is stupid, maybe at a cage.
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Erod, I'm curious... how does a car, cut someone off AND hit them?
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Erod, I'm curious... how does a car, cut someone off AND hit them?
sorry, like changed lanes without knowing he was there is what i meant
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sorry, like changed lanes without knowing he was there is what i meant
So another words the person changed lanes and they broadsided... or the guy changed lanes and the bike ran into 'em?


normally the news goes by witness & police statements... when they say 'may have' they were told a possibility, but has not been confirmed/proven. If there told speed was a factor, then they add it.
In the scenario you mentioned, both could have been speeding...(consider, most the traffic on the majority of roads are speeding...but relative to each other, speeds are all approx the same).. so the report would be accurate in that the 'bike' was speeding, it's just not mentioned that both were.
In this scenario, you've got a different situation in which the speed of the bike plays a bigger part/role.
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All this cowardly vigilanty bullshit is going too far. People need to take responsibility for their own actions; If one feels the need to do something that could potentially kill another person, then be prepared for the consequences. Weird as it sounds saying it, the old lady needs to be tried & jailed.

Sucks for the rider though, since he is dead its going to be alot harder to press the case as it should be. Especially since support from other riders is being undercut by, stragely enough, other riders. He isn't going to get much sympathy either, unlike the guy in georgia, on account of the press, so I hope he has family (and life insurance) to fight for him.

What a mess...
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I would LOVE to know precisely how a murder charge is justified based on the information provided in the article, D-Mo.

If a kid or a dog had ran out instead...you'd charge the kid or dog with murder?

The situation in georgia is different.
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Yeah I don't think murder is justifiable, he didn't deserve to die but he did deserve to be knocked up the side of his head. That is just retarted.

Now on the other hand nobody here truly knows what happened, but if he was speeding in a neighborhood he made a really bad choice.
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I would LOVE to know precisely how a murder charge is justified based on the information provided in the article, D-Mo.

If a kid or a dog had ran out instead...you'd charge the kid or dog with murder?

The situation in georgia is different.
Dude kid or dog running in the road is not the same as a woman picking up a beer can and throwing it at a motorist. Now if she threw a dog or kid at him... Seriously though, he was wrong for (possibly) speeding, but she is COMPLETELY wrong for throwing things at people. Simply is it dangerous and against the law. Please remember two wrongs don't make a right.
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Dude kid or dog running in the road is not the same as a woman picking up a beer can and throwing it at a motorist. Now if she threw a dog or kid at him... Seriously though, he was wrong for (possibly) speeding, but she is COMPLETELY wrong for throwing things at people. Simply is it dangerous and against the law. Please remember two wrongs don't make a right.
Haven't claimed it did, nor have I stated that the woman does not deserve some sort of punishment.

I'm addressing the comments about murder charges & those wanting to ignore the riders failure/responsibility/part in this incident.
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