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Old 04-21-2008, 01:42 PM   #21
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Once you recognize the obsticle, tear your eyes to the direction to want to try to go around. If inside, push the bars down as far as they will go. Once they stop going lower and you can't push anymore, get your off the seat.
If you have time, start saying as many Hail Mary's as you can before you lowside, lol...

ok. lol. I get the point. Prettty much have to commit to the turn and do the best in control you can right?
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thanks, i know that. I'm asking what you would do in that situation, not what you'd do to prevent it.... i understand squidly behavior. But in a turn, what would you do if coming into a situation like that to help your chances....

Could make it say a highway turnoff and in the middle of the turnabout you notice something in the road you didn't see before etc... Just amuse me here, thanks.
look like with any vehicle if its too late its too late, everyones been telling you how to avoid it because there such thing as point of no return
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If you are unsure about a corner, brake before it and accelerate through it; always get into that practice. Keep plenty of room for yourself.

If you are on a heavier bike or with passenger and need a little correction in a corner don't get off the throttle, but you can lightly hold the rear brake without the bike shifting weight/velocity. Those who ride w me and seen us in the corners see me do this from time to time; especially when she's moving around and taking pictures in corners.
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ok. lol. I get the point. Prettty much have to commit to the turn and do the best in control you can right?
Pretty much, there is no right answer. There is only buying good gear and then telling the insurance company what happened.
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Link or recommendation on the safest way to practice braking hard while in the middle of a turn. Right now, my understanding is straight bike up and brake hard, but what if oncoming traffic?

I'd like to better increasing my braking skills which to me are the weakest link between my safety and handling.

Any advice or links on articles on this? I'd rather be known as the braking king than the throttle king! One will be much friendlier to keeping the shiny side up!
Your question begs more information. You are on the right track, though
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also i rather hit a deer, then a truck

theres not too much you can do by the time you see the deer in a turn
sure there is ..... tuck and roll!
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You can brake while in a turn.

Question is, do you have enough traction and skill? Say your tires have 100 points of traction; are you using all of that in the turn? Or are you at 70-80 pts? That leaves you 20-30 traction points.

Smooth on the brakes is the key. Slide off the seat a bit, put a little more input in the inside bar, and ease on the front brake. Most people will lock the rear because they don't take time to develop the feel.

As you brake, the bike will want to stand up. Let it, but with your weight down low and a little more bar input, it will continue to turn. Also continue to look at where you want to go, not at what you are trying to avoid.
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Yes^^^^ every situation requires its own unique set of reactions.
I would guess you could practice 50 times and come up with 50 different ways to react.
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lean harder or less to move your bike out of the way, also dont ride into oncoming traffic if you need to stop in a turn staighten up the bike first then work your brakes, never hit your brakes while leaning
you can i do it all the time now ask me how
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I'd rather do whatever it takes to avoid oncoming traffic - unless the alternative is to run off a 400 ft cliff to the rocky hillside below, in which case 60 mph in a turn with the potential of oncoming traffic would be really dumb...

Of course, all these hypotheticals assume being able to keep a level head, and in a fraction of a split-second, analyze all the potential outcomes, and judge which method will produce the best results... then the moment comes... and in a blind curve with a suddenly appearing deer - by the time you've noticed, you will have already hit the deer.

Pushing the limits without being able to see the roadway - you're going to be in trouble in this case no matter what. A deer will take up all of your lane - so you will either go off the road, into the oncoming traffic, or hit the deer (and at 60 mph - hitting a 300-400 lb deer = not so good).

So in this case - right turn - trouble - unless you can lean over more - braking puts you into oncoming traffic. Left turn, sweep wide if possible - but not leaning over, since your head will likely get knocked off by the deer - so you will run off the road.

Otherwise - what? point to the deer, and hope he doesn't land on you after you hit it...

Best possible outcome of this wildly hypothetic is: deer notices you, jumps to avoid being hit at the last moment - you've kept your line and continue on while the deer has either gone off the road, or has just been smashed by the oncoming traffic.

And if you can keep your head in that situation - woo hoo! more power to ya! I don't know how you train for that - other than to have a failure and be able to learn something from it (like I did recently...) focus under duress is probably the hardest thing that separates real racers from us dreamers!
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You can brake while in a turn.

Question is, do you have enough traction and skill? Say your tires have 100 points of traction; are you using all of that in the turn? Or are you at 70-80 pts? That leaves you 20-30 traction points.

Smooth on the brakes is the key. Slide off the seat a bit, put a little more input in the inside bar, and ease on the front brake. Most people will lock the rear because they don't take time to develop the feel.

As you brake, the bike will want to stand up. Let it, but with your weight down low and a little more bar input, it will continue to turn. Also continue to look at where you want to go, not at what you are trying to avoid.
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pulling a 30pt turn and dropping your bike!!!!
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its best not to get into that situation, but if you are going to fast in a turn, I rather try to lean it to make it.

I rather lowside, than highside

sounds crass but 100% right if you are going to fast to make the curve add a little gas. If you are going to run into a deer or a truck the deer is softer. I take a lot of pictures at the races and when the experts are riding the only time I see any trail breaking into constant radius curve is when they are coming onto slow traffic or they are so far ahead they are trying to look sideways for a picture.
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"Never hit your brakes while leaning"


That's just plain bad advice. That's the squid approach that will evetually get you killed. Its an advanced skill that everyone riding a sport bike should be learning or practicing. Learing to ride a bike isn't over until you stop riding bikes. If you're not getting better, you're just passing time until your next crash
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I take a lot of pictures at the races and when the experts are riding the only time I see any trail breaking into constant radius curve is when they are coming onto slow traffic or they are so far ahead they are trying to look sideways for a picture.
Difference on the track is...

a: you know the turns radius, road surface, and speed you can go
b: on the track you are either on the gas or on the brakes, or loosing...

None of the above work very well on the street....
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"coming around corner at 60 mph and see deer in road. Oncoming truck in left lane. How would you prevent collision as best you could? How could you train for that?"

Prevention would mean you never got in the situation in the first place...

What you should have asked what would be the best way to ATTEMPT to avoid collison and/or reduce impact/injury.

In most cases, the slower you are moving at the point of impact the better off you are...and your brakes/tires are going to be the best thing you & your bike have for scrubbing speed until that point of impact.
Praying would be a good idea... Try to maintain your lane...or the ditch/shoulder on your side, scrub what speed you safely can before impact...and try to manuever to minimize impact if you can't avoid it.
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nothing in the advice column here is within his current capabilities. your best chance of avoiding this problem is to buy a car with airbags.
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