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Old 04-12-2008, 06:33 PM   #1
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Question Bike Used to Start in Gear w/ Clutch Pulled...

Something's up with my bike - any suggestions? It used to start while in gear with the clutch pulled in - now it will only start when in nuetral - I noticed it last slow cranked, now it doesn't crank at all when in gear. Starts right up in nuetral. What happened? What should I check?

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cluthch sensor not working or broke wire to it?
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cluthch sensor not working or broke wire to it?
check the wire to clutch switch or wiring itself.
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Are you saying it won't start / turn over at all or it turns over too slow to start?

If it's too slow to start it probably has too much freeplay in the clutch cable.
Adjust the clutch cable where you have 1/16" of play between the clutch lever and the perch with the lever all the way out.

If it won't turn over at all unless it's in neutral it's probably your clutch safety switch or the wiring going to it.

I see you're in College Station. I'll be at Texas World Speedway Sunday till about 2-3:00 p.m..

If you're unsure how to adjust the cable, look me up by the Motorcycles Unlimited trailer and I'll adjust the cable for you real quick and show you how to do it, no charge.
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Old 04-13-2008, 07:32 AM   #5
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if its cranking slow when it cranks I agree its probably your adjustment... its probably engaging the clutch as it tries to start, putting extra strain on the starter, making it start slow. That'd be the first thing I'd check. Do you have a rear stand? put it up on the stand and try starting it in gear with the clutch pulled. If it starts easy and the rear wheel is spinning on start up, thats your problem.
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Are you saying it won't start / turn over at all or it turns over too slow to start?

If it's too slow to start it probably has too much freeplay in the clutch cable.
Adjust the clutch cable where you have 1/16" of play between the clutch lever and the perch with the lever all the way out.

If it won't turn over at all unless it's in neutral it's probably your clutch safety switch or the wiring going to it.

I see you're in College Station. I'll be at Texas World Speedway Sunday till about 2-3:00 p.m..

If you're unsure how to adjust the cable, look me up by the Motorcycles Unlimited trailer and I'll adjust the cable for you real quick and show you how to do it, no charge.


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Old 04-13-2008, 08:36 AM   #7
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Are you saying it won't start / turn over at all or it turns over too slow to start?

If it's too slow to start it probably has too much freeplay in the clutch cable.
Adjust the clutch cable where you have 1/16" of play between the clutch lever and the perch with the lever all the way out.

If it won't turn over at all unless it's in neutral it's probably your clutch safety switch or the wiring going to it.

I see you're in College Station. I'll be at Texas World Speedway Sunday till about 2-3:00 p.m..

If you're unsure how to adjust the cable, look me up by the Motorcycles Unlimited trailer and I'll adjust the cable for you real quick and show you how to do it, no charge.


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Old 04-13-2008, 12:59 PM   #8
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hopefully he can get his bike started to meet patrick.
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hopefully he can get his bike started to meet patrick.
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He said it starts when it's in neutral, should be all good.

While you're meeting Patrick at the track, check out some of the fast folks at the CMRA races! Don't forget the gate entry fee (I think it's $10 today, but plan on $15).

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Could it be the kickstand sensor? If the kickstand is up, but the sensor doesn't think so, anything other than neutral might kill the engine, clutch or not.... at least that's how it is on my FZ1...
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yeah well if it starts in neutral and shuts off when he kicks it into first because of things like kickstand switch or the clutch out of adjustment, just starting in neutral won't be enough!
happened to me before.
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Thanks for the responses everyone. I did adjust the clutch cable but I think the problem is the wiring to the safety switch. I actually headed out to see my bud near Houston today so I didn't make it out to TWS (Texas World Speedway) but thanks for the offer Patrick. Now for the dumb part...yesterday my clutch lever bolt rattled out, the local honda shop was out of the bolts so I ordered a couple...what's holding that lever on now is a couple of zip ties so I think that has something to do with the issue as the lever actually moves a bit in the slot rather than rotating true. I tried pushing the wiring to the clutch lever but it just doesnt seem to be able to get a good connection. I'm thinking once I get my bolt back in everything should work out. If not, I'll take the thing apart and see what's up.
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Thanks for the responses everyone. I did adjust the clutch cable but I think the problem is the wiring to the safety switch. I actually headed out to see my bud near Houston today so I didn't make it out to TWS (Texas World Speedway) but thanks for the offer Patrick. Now for the dumb part...yesterday my clutch lever bolt rattled out, the local honda shop was out of the bolts so I ordered a couple...what's holding that lever on now is a couple of zip ties so I think that has something to do with the issue as the lever actually moves a bit in the slot rather than rotating true. I tried pushing the wiring to the clutch lever but it just doesnt seem to be able to get a good connection. I'm thinking once I get my bolt back in everything should work out. If not, I'll take the thing apart and see what's up.
Crucial bit of information there mang Your clutch lever is not actuating the clutch safety switch likely because it's mis-aligned with the bolt out. That's my bet.

These things are always easy to diagnose when you see them- on the internet is tough because you don't see the whole picture (like the piece of information you just mentioned).

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yeah well if it starts in neutral and shuts off when he kicks it into first because of things like kickstand switch or the clutch out of adjustment, just starting in neutral won't be enough!
I took for granted that it wasn't dieing when he put it in gear (which if it's the clutch switch, it wouldn't die anyway), but I think we see here that there is some missing information...

Replace that bolt, it should fix your issue. I'd be a dollar to a donut hole that Patrick has a few just sitting in a spare parts bin somewhere...
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I've got a couple of them in my desk drawer, but if you've already ordered one from the Honda dealer in Collge Station than you may want to wait till it comes in.

When you get the new bolt, put a little grease on it before you install it.
Don't over tighten it when you put it in and put a self locking nut on the bottom side.

Give me a call at the shop if you have any questions or problems after you put it all together.
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Ok, quick question. I also can only start my bike in neutral right now. EVEN with clutch pulled. I dropped my bike about a month ago at 3 mph, didn't hit tremendously hard, just a good knock. Think its also damaged and need the same repair? (ninja 250)
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Ok, quick question. I also can only start my bike in neutral right now. EVEN with clutch pulled. I dropped my bike about a month ago at 3 mph, didn't hit tremendously hard, just a good knock. Think its also damaged and need the same repair? (ninja 250)
your bike should only start in neutral with the kickstand down. If you can start it in gear with the kickstand down, you have a faulty kickstand switch or it has been bypassed at some point and time. You should be able to start the bike in any gear assuming you have the kickstand up and the clutch lever pulled in.
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your bike should only start in neutral with the kickstand down. If you can start it in gear with the kickstand down, you have a faulty kickstand switch or it has been bypassed at some point and time. You should be able to start the bike in any gear assuming you have the kickstand up and the clutch lever pulled in.

i'll double check today. I think i was having problems starting with clutch pulled in if i didn't shift back to neutral. I'll check on it. Thanks for your input.
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Ok, quick question. I also can only start my bike in neutral right now. EVEN with clutch pulled. I dropped my bike about a month ago at 3 mph, didn't hit tremendously hard, just a good knock. Think its also damaged and need the same repair? (ninja 250)
like dbuck said....kickstand up to start in gear....if your kickstand is up, and you can't start in gear.....

there will be two wires that plug in behind your clutch lever....make sure BOTH of those wires are plugged in with a good connection. that is your clutch safety sensor thingy....that's what tells your bike the clutch is pulled in so you can start it in gear.
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