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Old 04-11-2008, 07:34 AM   #21
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I think the main thing that separates motards from street bikes is the weight.

The weight advantage that a motard has over a super sport allows it to change directions quicker. Shifting your body on a tard has a more significant effect on moving the CG than on a SS.

Spinning tires generates heat and spinning a tire on a heavier bike makes a lot more heat. That heat can cause tires to blister get greasy. This is what cars do in drifting competitions. In a competition where you are trying to make your tires and fuel last (F1, Nascar, endurance related), spinning up your tires regularly is a bad idea since you will use more fuel and tires. You may be faster for a few laps but that can be countered by having to pit more frequently than you competitors.
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my opinion.. you want as much traction possible at all times. You waste time sliding around corners, applying throttle or not. Look at the sport of Drifting (that started in Japan). They may be hauling going through their drift track, but think if they actually had no wheel spin how much faster they could make it around the same track.

Same concept on a 1/4 mile track. If you spin at the line, or anywhere down the 1/4 mile, you're loosing precious tenths-of-a-second.

If you CAN keep up traction at the same speed, then yes you would be faster.
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So what would be cool, is someone would write a mock race around a short track and how the motard reacts vs the 600cc SV650 etc.

Ie: From the line 0-80 the motards superior power to weight ratio lets it over take the sv, but as the higher speeds approach the superior aerodynamisc and top end of the sv start to play in as it passes the sv. As they go into the first sharp corner, the SV slows down as the Motard goes deeper into the corner drifting, allowing the RPMs to stay higher in its peak powerband, and quickly right itself to shoot ahead.... etc

Maybe a pratical illustration would help me understand the differences a bit better between the advantages of one over the other... on a tight track.

Any takers that have too much time on their hands...

thanks all, great info, still processing!
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does "backing it in" make it go Potato, Potato, Potato?
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does "backing it in" make it go Potato, Potato, Potato?
i'm lost... i guess thats no suprise to some.... ???? :/:
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On a tight track the lighter weight of the motard would be the deciding factor, not the riding style.
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On a tight track the lighter weight of the motard would be the deciding factor, not the riding style.
So is that essentially the answer. The reason motards tend to rule in tight twisties

1. Superior agility due to light weight, very flickable
2. Superior cornerning clearances, therefore able to complete a turn at faster speed.
3. Drifting persay isn't superior to kneedragging, however lets the rider have more clearance to corner the bike farther, therefore continue through a turn faster?

Is that about it?
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So is that essentially the answer. The reason motards tend to rule in tight twisties

1. Superior agility due to light weight, very flickable
2. Superior cornerning clearances, therefore able to complete a turn at faster speed.
3. Drifting persay isn't superior to kneedragging, however lets the rider have more clearance to corner the bike farther, therefore continue through a turn faster?

Is that about it?
1. is the best answer
2. not at a faster speed, just a different line, and spend less actual time "turning". With less weight you can go in deeper, get on the brakes harder, stop shorter, turn quicker, and accelerate sooner. .1 here and there adds up quick on the track. Think of the curve as this..

) represents the sportbike line

> represents the motard turn

3. backing it in or drifting versus kneedragging are basically 2 different approaches to the same problem, based on completely different circumstances and equipment.
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) represents the sportbike line

> represents the motard turn

3. backing it in or drifting versus kneedragging are basically 2 different approaches to the same problem, based on completely different circumstances and equipment.
good info. Thanks!
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I square off all the tight corners on MotoGP the video game, and my times always get better, therefore squaring off corners must also work in real life and the racers who don't do it are posers.
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