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Old 04-13-2008, 08:00 PM   #141
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What are you talking about? I just posted and replied to every one of your points!
Really? I'd love to see your replies to my points. All you did was quote my post and try to twist what I was saying. My posts were very clear and specific, obviously you are not capable of understanding or comprehending what I'm saying.
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If you meant that he deserved to fall off his bike because he didn't check someone else's work then you should have simply stated as such.
No, that is not what I'm saying. What I said was simple- go back and read it- If someone offs themselves on a public road riding like an idiot, it's their own fault, no matter the extenuating circumstances.

You make some wild claim about someone getting hurt riding 65 mph, when dude clearly posted that it only happened at 135 mph. You are trying to make silly stretches and I'm an idiot for even replying to your posts.
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...so now I submitt you live in a dream world where everyone is a mechanic.
Again, at the risk of repeating myself yet again, everyone should be responsible for their bike's maintenance, at least enough to know when a friggin' wheel and or tire is mounted backwards. It's called responsibility, not "being a mechanic".
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You just outted yourself to the entire site so now they can see that you really only care about yourself. YAAAY! Darwinism at work.
See, that's what makes you a new guy. I "outed" myself a long time ago regarding my opinions about people riding double the speed limit, and all kinds of other illegal/ unsafe acts on public roads. This is nothing new, and you are making a huge leap of an umption since you don't know me at all- clearly if you did, you'd never say that I "only care about myself". If you wish though, I'll be happy to avoid helping you if that's your opinion- you know me too well. Simply to repeat again, if someone kills themselves on public roads doing something illegal and stupid like riding at double the speed limit- they know it's against the law and extremely dangerous- that's Darwinism.
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On that I will say that I am sorry if I offended you. I thought I was simply sharing ideas between another rider and myself. I hope you can agree to disagree with me today. I hold no grudges!
Whatever dude, you baited me and I took the bait. It's nothing new. I'm sure your riding experience and skill far supersedes mine, but I'm not sure I'm going to agree with anything you've said thus far. Maybe one day you'll post something I will agree with though. I don't get offended, and I hold no grudges either- it would take a lot more than this to get there
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Old 04-13-2008, 08:48 PM   #142
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Really? I'd love to see your replies to my points. All you did was quote my post and try to twist what I was saying. My posts were very clear and specific, obviously you are not capable of understanding or comprehending what I'm saying. No, that is not what I'm saying. What I said was simple- go back and read it- If someone offs themselves on a public road riding like an idiot, it's their own fault, no matter the extenuating circumstances.

You make some wild claim about someone getting hurt riding 65 mph, when dude clearly posted that it only happened at 135 mph. You are trying to make silly stretches and I'm an idiot for even replying to your posts. Again, at the risk of repeating myself yet again, everyone should be responsible for their bike's maintenance, at least enough to know when a friggin' wheel and or tire is mounted backwards. It's called responsibility, not "being a mechanic". See, that's what makes you a new guy. I "outed" myself a long time ago regarding my opinions about people riding double the speed limit, and all kinds of other illegal/ unsafe acts on public roads. This is nothing new, and you are making a huge leap of an umption since you don't know me at all- clearly if you did, you'd never say that I "only care about myself". If you wish though, I'll be happy to avoid helping you if that's your opinion- you know me too well. Simply to repeat again, if someone kills themselves on public roads doing something illegal and stupid like riding at double the speed limit- they know it's against the law and extremely dangerous- that's Darwinism.

Whatever dude, you baited me and I took the bait. It's nothing new. I'm sure your riding experience and skill far supersedes mine, but I'm not sure I'm going to agree with anything you've said thus far. Maybe one day you'll post something I will agree with though. I don't get offended, and I hold no grudges either- it would take a lot more than this to get there

Thats cool. Just to review. I completely agree with you it is stupid to ride at that rate of speed in an uncontrolled circumstance. Where we differ is that it is his fault for not knowing how, or to check that his wheel was loose. Really that was all I said, and that I felt bad that he got "taken" by his mechanic, and that yes he could have been seriously injured. He payed for service, and got something else. On that can we agree? At no point did I justify his use of unwarented speed. NOT CONDONED. Who knows maybe this guy is 15 and just got his first superbike and doesn't know shyt from shynola. Hopefully he reads our banter and realizes what could have been. OK?

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Thats cool. Just to review. I completely agree with you it is stupid to ride at that rate of speed in an uncontrolled circumstance. Where we differ is that it is his fault for not knowing how, or to check that his wheel was loose. Really that was all I said, and that I felt bad that he got "taken" by his mechanic, and that yes he could have been seriously injured. He payed for service, and got something else. On that can we agree? At no point did I justify his use of unwarented speed. NOT CONDONED. Who knows maybe this guy is 15 and just got his first superbike and doesn't know shyt from shynola. Hopefully he reads our banter and realizes what could have been. OK?

tomlstd is a track guy and knows what hes talking about, this is a board were everyone looks out for other riders and does there best to keep people safe on here, obviously the guy went 135 on a shky wheel and didint know how to check for things that may of been wrong with his bike, he posted up a situation and got answers from people on the baord, as for the part of not everyone being mechanics, they should take the moment to learn what there getting themselves into, it makes the difference of riding your bike tomorrow or riding in the back of a hurst, thats what people who do know about bike have been telling him, now he knows, oh and welcome to mh
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Thats cool. Just to review. I completely agree with you it is stupid to ride at that rate of speed in an uncontrolled circumstance. Where we differ is that it is his fault for not knowing how, or to check that his wheel was loose.
Fair enough- but just to clarify, I'm not saying he's "at fault" for not knowing, all I'm saying (as Omega has put it well) is that it is everyone's responsibility to have a basic understanding of your bike, and next time, he should really educate himself about the bike (per my reference of watching Javi- , I'm sure Javi would even give him a great education about such things anyway).
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Really that was all I said, and that I felt bad that he got "taken" by his mechanic, and that yes he could have been seriously injured. He payed for service, and got something else. On that can we agree?
For sure, I agree- I only wish more people who are new to riding would find a site (like this one) to better educate themselves about such an awesome responsibility as owning a sportbike.
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Absolutely, and agreed.

I wish there was a community like this around when I bought my first bike at 15 o-so-many years ago. There's always some shady folks in the motorcycling community, and there seemed to be a lot more of them when I got started. Now, we've got some awesome folks in the motorcycle parts and service industry that actually care and take the time to educate their customers.

My two favorite examples of this is Patrick at Motorcycles Unlimited (including his family and all his employees), and Andy at Metric Motorcycles. Both of these rare individuals are an asset and credit to the motorcycling community in Houston and the surrounding areas.
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Ya obviously he is a track guy I figured that one out. I just took offense to his thinking that is was ok that someone, anyone, gets hurt, even if they are a noob. We disagreed as to whether the mechanic should take responsibilty for letting something go that was unsafe. That being said, ride within your limits and for sure he should have checked his rig before going that fast. Oh yeah and he called me a whiner. NOT COOL. Its whatever I'm bigger than that. Thanks for someone welcoming me to the site.
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Fair enough- but just to clarify, I'm not saying he's "at fault" for not knowing, all I'm saying (as Omega has put it well) is that it is everyone's responsibility to have a basic understanding of your bike, and next time, he should really educate himself about the bike (per my reference of watching Javi- , I'm sure Javi would even give him a great education about such things anyway). For sure, I agree- I only wish more people who are new to riding would find a site (like this one) to better educate themselves about such an awesome responsibility as owning a sportbike.

Absolutely, and agreed.

I wish there was a community like this around when I bought my first bike at 15 o-so-many years ago. There's always some shady folks in the motorcycling community, and there seemed to be a lot more of them when I got started. Now, we've got some awesome folks in the motorcycle parts and service industry that actually care and take the time to educate their customers.

My two favorite examples of this is Patrick at Motorcycles Unlimited (including his family and all his employees), and Andy at Metric Motorcycles. Both of these rare individuals are an asset and credit to the motorcycling community in Houston and the surrounding areas.

Cool. Thanks for clarifying. I hope next time we can be on the same side of the arguement. Good discussion!
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My $.02; I agree with Tom. Too many people treat a bike just like their car. Gas and go. They forget that, unlike a car, a flat, or suspension, or dirvetrain failure on a bike can be fatal.

If you ride a bike, it behooves not only you, but also your family and friends, to educate yourself on the basic maintenance.

It amazes me how many people can not perform the basics, like tire pressure, chain adjustment, brake inspection, and suspension inspection.

But it's all good; hop on and ride 140 down the Belt and "hope" it's all in good shape......
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You guys are crazy. I dont check because i dont know what to look for. U guys that that are blaming me can go suck a DIC*. i l Know most of you guys went faster then me on a public road before.
Now i know the people who can really help me and the people who i dont want to waste my time talking too.
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Seriously. If you don't know what to check for, please learn. Especially if you want to routinely run those speeds.

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You guys are crazy. I dont check because i dont know what to look for. U guys that that are blaming me can go suck a DIC*. i l Know most of you guys went faster then me on a public road before.
Now i know the people who can really help me and the people who i dont want to waste my time talking too.
1. No one is blaming you... but it is the rider's responsiility to know and understand his vehicle.
2. Yes, i am sure most of us have gone fast on public roads, but you grow up and leave that kind of riding in your youth... nothing wrong with it, but you did it and did not know your machine....
3. I think everyone here has welcomed you to the MH family and would like to see you riding for many years to come... take all comments with a grain of salt.... dismiss those that are offensive, accept those that are helpful as constructive critism (as you keep learning)...
4. Keep asking questions and keep learning... not everyone is mechanically inclined and that is fine, but at a minimum try to learn what is going on with your ride...
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You guys are crazy. I dont check because i dont know what to look for. U guys that that are blaming me can go suck a DIC*. i l Know most of you guys went faster then me on a public road before.
Now i know the people who can really help me and the people who i dont want to waste my time talking too.
hey don't worry, even those of us who check our stuff on a regular basis still miss things ourselves. Just friday at the trackday i was standing beside a bike, looked at the front wheel for some reason and noticed that the axle nut was missing from the front axle. That could have been devastating to multiple people. so, even though your bike is tech'd or inspected, that doesn't mean that something won't come loose or fall off while riding
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hey don't worry, even those of us who check our stuff on a regular basis still miss things ourselves. Just friday at the trackday i was standing beside a bike, looked at the front wheel for some reason and noticed that the axle nut was missing from the front axle. That could have been devastating to multiple people. so, even though your bike is tech'd or inspected, that doesn't mean that something won't come loose or fall off while riding

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... and now she can pose beside it and say "look at my tires, what chicken strips! "
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... and now she can pose beside it and say "look at my tires, what chicken strips! "
yeah, soon as there back, i'll try to remove em again.
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You guys are crazy. I dont check because i dont know what to look for. U guys that that are blaming me can go suck a DIC*. i l Know most of you guys went faster then me on a public road before.
Now i know the people who can really help me and the people who i dont want to waste my time talking too.

You know, I'm a total Noob to SportBikes but I will say with your attitude you most likely won't survive long. These guys are trying to help you get your sh*t together so you don't become an obituary entry and you just come back at them.

Why not humble yourself, listen to them, and quit making excuses for what should be common sense. Logic should tell you if your bike is wobbling (at any speed) something is mechanically not right.

And as far as racing on the track, if you can't afford it then don't about it and don't go. Your money is better invested fixing your 600RR and getting that straight, focusing on your riding skills before you even hit the track.

Not trying to flame you as you're about as charbroiled as it gets here, but seriously man get your head right and stay alive!

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