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Old 04-07-2008, 03:57 PM   #1
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The good and bad of group rides

Yep.. that time of year again. Spring is in the air, blue bonnets are blooming, spring fever in full bloom, and everyone and their brother is hitting the roads on the weekends.

So.. how do you know if you have a good or bad group to ride with?

Here are a few things I have learned over the years that increase or decrease your odds of having a good ride. None of these are new or surprising to anyone who has been riding a while. These are also the ones we can control, that can affect the end of your day.

number of people, more = bad
new people to the group = bad, unknown habits/skills (catch-22 for those wanting to join up)
speed of the group, higher = bad (odds of Mr. PoPo taking interest go up as well)
disparity between the fastest and slowest rider, bigger the gap = bad
new roads to the group = good or bad, depending on other factors
old, well known road to group, with new riders thrown in = bad
unplanned route over unknown roads = bad or good, depends how many end in gravel and mud
drop-in's (meaning someone you don't know wanting to join the group along the way) = bad

seasoned group who know each others style = good (see speed of group to change that)
good pace = good
frequent breaks = good
well planned route on good roads = good
overall pace of the group equal to slowest rider = good
rules of the road known up front (no passing in curves, over hills, etc) = good


Best rides I have been on have been small (4-10), well planned with stops for lunch and breaks planned ahead of time, riders of equal ability and egos.

Feel free to add your own good/bad factors for those noobs out there!
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Old 04-07-2008, 04:00 PM   #2
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^ you mustn't have ever read any Ayn Rand.
no i haven't, does he/she think that a person riding with a big ego is a good thing? :dontknow:
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no i haven't, does he/she think that a person riding with a big ego is a good thing? :dontknow:
just playing with ya.

her themes were all about the importance of ego. They didn't really have ss bikes then, but she did party with Warren greenspan.
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Another thing I forgot (other than how to spell THE! )

Leaders responsibility to the group. My take on it anyhow.

If you choose to set up a ride, it is up to you to make sure the route is do-able at the pace of the group. I still have problems with this, as some loops I can do with one group in 4 hours might take 6 or 7 with another.

Also, that everyone gets to the end in one piece. There is no worse feeling than leading someone that falls, regardless of the reason. All the talks of "ride your own pace, don't do what I do" don't fix broken bikes and bones.

If you can't lead at a pace and style EVERYONE in the group can handle, it is a recipe for a bad end.
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Another thing I forgot (other than how to spell THE! )

Leaders responsibility to the group. My take on it anyhow.

If you choose to set up a ride, it is up to you to make sure the route is do-able at the pace of the group. I still have problems with this, as some loops I can do with one group in 4 hours might take 6 or 7 with another.

Also, that everyone gets to the end in one piece. There is no worse feeling than leading someone that falls, regardless of the reason. All the talks of "ride your own pace, don't do what I do" don't fix broken bikes and bones.

If you can't lead at a pace and style EVERYONE in the group can handle, it is a recipe for a bad end.




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I've been on several 300+ mile rides alone and I just don't enjoy it as much as riding with other people. Sure there are some people that I wasn't to happy riding around, but for the most part, it's been cool meeting people that I'd never meet otherwise.

Any time you get a bunch of people together that don't know each others riding styles or history, there's potential there for bad stuff to happen. If everyone rides with respect for each other and their own skill, the ride usually ends up good.

I think that as a general rule, more riders = slower pace. There's a lot more variables to keep track of. My best rides have been in smaller (4-6) groups. Once we rode for a while together (an hour or so) and saw that we could hold lines and keep a safe following distance, we upped the pace to a comfortable spirited level and had a great ride. In fact, on the last ride I was on we putted along at what I considered to be a slower pace because nobody really felt the need to step it up. There wasn't any competition, just a bunch of friends out for a relaxing ride.
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I think that as a general rule, more riders = slower pace.
I agree entirely.... Galveston's 78 bike ride was perfect example; everyone stayed together on the ride over and everything was awesome....

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I like riding in groups, but I always feel bad that my bike has a top speed of 75-80. I don't mind being behind, but I don't like that one guy to feel obligated to stay behind me.

Also, I really don't love for that ONE rider who thinks its okay to come up on me in my lane. Is this something I'm just going to have to get used to?
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I have began my group riding, , pretty much all my riding with texlurch. And he is a very helpful and courteous guy when it come to group rides, for noobs and veterans alike. I still may be the slowest in the group, but not nearly as far behind after six months of riding with good people. I must say planned routes and planned stops with ONE leader all day is the way to go.
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I have began my group riding, , pretty much all my riding with texlurch. And he is a very helpful and courteous guy when it come to group rides, for noobs and veterans alike. I still may be the slowest in the group, but not nearly as far behind after six months of riding with good people. I must say planned routes and planned stops with ONE leader all day is the way to go.
And there is something to say about that... U learn alot quicker if you are with people that ride with eachother not opposing eachother on the road. Kudos to you guys...
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I look forward to riding with a group some time. I think one leader is fine for a ride too. I'm not too concerned with frequent stops though - I'd rather keep going (I guess that depends on what frequent means...) but I would stop with the group if the group stops.

In my past, with bicycles - the name of the game is consistency, patience, and courtesy, and everybody has a good time. Showoffs, people with no sense of pace, and unsteady riders really make it difficult. It's important to realize that unless everyone is completely familiar and comfortable with every other rider in the group, then there needs to be more of a cushion-zone.

And as long as the group periodically regroups to allow slower riders to re-associated, I think it should be fun to ride in a group.

I'll see y'all on a group ride some day!
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When riding with new people, keep the guy behind you in your mirrors (at least slow on the straight to see him/her come through the curve is one rule I always try to make. If that means you have to slow the pace - then so be it. People did that for me when I first started (well, somewhat) and it's really a comfort to the slower rider and they feel like their part of the group which builds up confidence.

I do rather enjoy riding more with just a handful of guys that I've come to know and have a skill level equal to or better than mine - but everyone has to start somewhere so I take new guys out from time to time. Unfortunately, you can't keep 'em from going down if they have their minds made up not to listen & ride within their own limits (even if that means slowing down to the yellow sign speed).
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Most my thoughts have been stated, but I'd like to highlight:

First: NEVER pass the leader. If you're faster than the pre-determined leader, suck it up. If you want, throw the next party.
Second: Pace... pace... pace. The most critical and difficult idea. Someone's "fast" may not be such to another.
Last: Egos. Keep them in check, and enjoy another day. It's hard enough to do what we do, much less anticipating someone elses actions.
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