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Old 04-07-2008, 04:13 PM   #21
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Old 04-07-2008, 04:14 PM   #22
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If you're having problems maintaining much of a straight line, with the rear locked...or you'r doing a long skid with the rear trying to brake with the rear (unintentionaly). You've got some fundamental issues in regards to braking to work on.
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like i said I hardly use it.
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For those that don't use the rear, try this.

First, adjust the rear pedal so your normal movement can't lock it. Will take some trial and error. You want to have it where you almost have to take your foot off the peg and stomp to lock it.

Now, at say 50-60 mph, grab a handful of front brake and see how the bike feels. Nose dive and rear tire in the air, correct?

Now, at the same speed, hit the rear first, then the front. What did the bike do? Less brake dive? More stable?

Your throttle control will also add to this. Chopping the throttle and grabing the brakes will make it dive more and more prone to rear lock. Try rolling out smoothly and braking at the same time.

The real trick is to find that back road speed where you don't need the brakes anyhow..
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Old 04-07-2008, 04:29 PM   #25
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Twist of wrist talks about technique and how a majority of dangerous highsides and problems occur from rear brake problems. Its BETTER to learn to use front properly than rely on more rear than needed, example of me today. I practice braking, and yet I still had a quick reaction that caused a little rear wheel slide.... I'm not a pro, but i'm no squid and i practice... I ride everyday rain or shine... and still it got me in a SR (survival reaction, from Twist of the Wrist 2)... I need more front control and to lighten on the rear....

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For those that don't use the rear, try this.

First, adjust the rear pedal so your normal movement can't lock it. Will take some trial and error. You want to have it where you almost have to take your foot off the peg and stomp to lock it.

Now, at say 50-60 mph, grab a handful of front brake and see how the bike feels. Nose dive and rear tire in the air, correct?

Now, at the same speed, hit the rear first, then the front. What did the bike do? Less brake dive? More stable?

Your throttle control will also add to this. Chopping the throttle and grabing the brakes will make it dive more and more prone to rear lock. Try rolling out smoothly and braking at the same time.

The real trick is to find that back road speed where you don't need the brakes anyhow..


Exactly how mine is set up. I have to nail the outta the rear to get I to lock. The few times I've had to panic stop I've gotten on both brakes hard and stopped/slowed easily.
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I'm wondering - if you're really hard on the front brakes, and hit too hard on the back and create a lock-up, is it worse than locking up the back with no front brake, comparing how much the back end will tend to slide out sideways?
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I'm wondering - if you're really hard on the front brakes, and hit too hard on the back and create a lock-up, is it worse than locking up the back with no front brake, comparing how much the back end will tend to slide out sideways?
Depends, usually not since it is so lightly loaded. The bike is pretty unsettled already at that point anyhow.

You can lock it up by downshifting too hard as well, unless you have a slipper.
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For those that don't use the rear, try this.

First, adjust the rear pedal so your normal movement can't lock it. Will take some trial and error. You want to have it where you almost have to take your foot off the peg and stomp to lock it.

Now, at say 50-60 mph, grab a handful of front brake and see how the bike feels. Nose dive and rear tire in the air, correct?

Now, at the same speed, hit the rear first, then the front. What did the bike do? Less brake dive? More stable?

Your throttle control will also add to this. Chopping the throttle and grabing the brakes will make it dive more and more prone to rear lock. Try rolling out smoothly and braking at the same time.

The real trick is to find that back road speed where you don't need the brakes anyhow..
I have all of my bikes set up this way. Especially my daily driver that I use to go to and from work. In the mornings, when the road and tires are cold, you stand the best chance of looking one up.

I think the reason you locked was the fact that you were out of road and were about to eat cager more than brake performance. Seems like everytime I have to stop that quickly that happens. It's not the brakes.
I have just learned to give them a little extra room and focus on that what they are doing. Also, being impatient in traffic is a major no-no considering the amount of speed you can gain with a big hand full-o-throttle.

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I use my rear brake alot for very low speed cornering(parkinglot) as well as slowing me down when I let out the clutch in traffic and going a daunting 5mph(busas don't appreciate those speeds and buck easily.)

I also flash my brake lights before braking when there is traffic behind me and to warn riders behind me when coming up on a tight corner.

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Old 04-07-2008, 06:20 PM   #31
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i like to use the rear as lil as possible and when at low speeds and nothing crazy infront of me ill use only rear gently to slow me down, but thats something you will learn how to do in time, do what msf has taught you so far
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i like to use the rear as lil as possible and when at low speeds and nothing crazy infront of me ill use only rear gently to slow me down, but thats something you will learn how to do in time, do what msf has taught you so far
i always use both, and only one time the rer had locked on me. but besides that time it always had worked great for me. at any speeds, of course i dont step on it, i push it gradually, but it goes all the way down at the end, in complement with the front,

sometimes i only use the rear for slowing down before a turn, and let it go while entering the turn.

it helps a lot and i say is a major no no not to use it, front do the majority of stopping, but rear works in a diferent way, but it works good
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Depends, usually not since it is so lightly loaded. The bike is pretty unsettled already at that point anyhow.

You can lock it up by downshifting too hard as well, unless you have a slipper.
I wish I had a slipper - I'm working on revving more on downshifting - I've had lockups in that case before. Is it possible to mod my 01 FZ1 to a slipper clutch?

On the other posts....
I'm not sure I agree with modifying the back brakes to reduce their effectiveness though... wouldn't it be better to learn a softer touch on the pedal??
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I'm not sure I agree with modifying the back brakes to reduce their effectiveness though... wouldn't it be better to learn a softer touch on the pedal??
The softer touch goes out the window in a panic stop. And I can't think of too many situations where I want to lock my rear.
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It used to be difficult to lock up my rear brake. It seems that it is easier to do now. Why is that? Does it need to be re-adjusted?
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Adjustment maybe, perhaps rear tire is worn, cold weather and roads, perhaps you are getting more comfortable with the front brake and using it harder
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