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Old 04-07-2008, 01:54 PM   #81
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wasn't the first, won't be the last....and as much fun as backroad runs are, one should know better than to take a total noob out there, let alone "taking off" and expecting them to just putt around the corner.....149's not the place to teach.
+1 - dbuck taught me in a school parking lot and short runs around the neighborhood...still haven't hit the forest
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not scairt neither...just haven't been...would want someone I trust to lead the way and that fugger doesn't ride the street anymore - alot or that far anyways
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trust me i learned my lesson on taking new people out to 149, kinda happened the same way as yours.. but i went the posted speed limit the first time to richard, and we made it ok, he said he felt good and didnt feel like he rode at all over his level. so i told him id watch him on the way back and to stay at the posted limit.. on the way back he was maybe 5 over and would slow down to like 5-10 under the limit through the turns... so i was like alright! hes listening!

so after watching him for a few miles i figuared he was doing ok enough and one of my fav turns was coming up a nice left hand turn. so i jumped around him real quick and then took the turn at about 5 over posted limit 65ish and i made it through, i figuared he would slow down again and take the turn since i was on the brakes after the turn anyways to let him by again but when i looked in the mirror all i saw as him go into the turn and just lay the bike down...

it was a freaky sight.. almost unreal to watch it unfold in the mirror.
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SUCKS....this is why when I take a noob out by myself I ride at their pace

at least he's okay, bikes can be replaced.....people can't
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If you have lead groups regularly, chances are someone has run off or gone down. Just the law of averages unfortunately.

But in this case I have mixed feelings, as it was stated from the start to be a slow paced, easy ride for a complete noob, not "hey, I'm gonna jet, ride your own pace". How in the heck can someone new to riding have any clue as to pace? And even tho you tell them to ride their own ride, they are going on the premise that you are doing the slow easy thing...

Yes, he wrecked. Yes, he may have gone on his own, but with no one to follow odds are he would have erred on the slow side. Who knows? Sucks for him, and ruined your day.
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trust me i learned my lesson on taking new people out to 149, kinda happened the same way as yours.. but i went the posted speed limit the first time to richard, and we made it ok, he said he felt good and didnt feel like he rode at all over his level. so i told him id watch him on the way back and to stay at the posted limit.. on the way back he was maybe 5 over and would slow down to like 5-10 under the limit through the turns... so i was like alright! hes listening!

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it was a freaky sight.. almost unreal to watch it unfold in the mirror.

Good story! Because that's usually how it happens.

sixshooter, we're not "blaming" you per say (at least I'm not), but I'm hoping you understand what happened, how and why. If you never took a noob out for a ride, or maybe even forgot what it was like to be a noob yourself, try to realize how all-new the whole experience is to the new rider, especially a guy who just bought his bike, on a 600RR no less, and this was his first ride. He hasn't even learned throttle control all too well yet. He's got a bunch of new controls to figure out, and out in the Forest in not the place to figure them out. He saw you take that turn, and thought... "Man, that looked cool. I wanna try it a little!" Then soon finds out that a little was more than he could handle (for his experience, which was non-existant).

His fault in the end. He shoulda never been out there in the first place. My .02

Chalk it up to an experience to learn from. "Now I know". We all make mistakes, but this one was his.
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Is everyone missing the part that he was going to go out there by himself? The guy thought he was bullet proof, knowing him on a personal level, I know for a fact him going out there alone he would of really hurt himself, maybe even someone else..

The "pace" I instructed him to go at was what felt comfortable.. with moderation.

I know jumping into that turn probably was not the smartest. I gave him PLENTY of warnings while we were sitting at 105/149.

So all the wrecks I hear about/see on rides, are the leads fault for not going their pace?
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You don't read so well, and it sounds like you're trying to assuage some kind of subconcious level of guilt or responsibility.

"So all the wrecks I hear about/see on rides, are the leads fault for not going their pace? "

Don't you think it'd be more accurate to examine each of those individually?
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So all the wrecks I hear about/see on rides, are the leads fault for not going their pace?
Sad to say, but 70-80% are caused by someone "trying to keep up"

Maybe not the leader, but odds are good if someone is riding over their head, the pace of the group is too fast.

There are the occasional brain fart and car pulling out, but just about every wreck on a group ride I have seen or read about was a case of ego take over. Maybe not even ego, call it self induced peer pressure to keep up.
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You don't read so well, and it sounds like you're trying to assuage some kind of subconcious level of guilt or responsibility.

"So all the wrecks I hear about/see on rides, are the leads fault for not going their pace? "

Don't you think it'd be more accurate to examine each of those individually?

Im sorry, I guess I worded that wrong.

I mean, the wrecks with people riding beyond their limit.

What would make you think I don't read "so well"?
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Sad to say, but 70-80% are caused by someone "trying to keep up"

Maybe not the leader, but odds are good if someone is riding over their head, the pace of the group is too fast.

There are the occasional brain fart and car pulling out, but just about every wreck on a group ride I have seen or read about was a case of ego take over. Maybe not even ego, call it self induced peer pressure to keep up.
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Exactly.
But if the pace is set to where they aren't being pressured to ride over their head, the odds go waaaaay down.

There is also this amazing learning curve effect. You start out at a slower pace that everyone is comfortable with, and as the day goes on, that increases as everyone expands the comfort level.

And you can spend time following the noobs/slower riders, giving them pointers and watching the light bulb go on when they figure it out.

Plus, I don't know about everyone else, but I think it is pretty cool when everyone can ride together, and watch a line of bikes bending thru the turns.... as opposed to a scattered out group flying to catch back up at the next stop.
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