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Old 04-04-2008, 07:26 PM   #21
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It will get worse.
I dunno maybe it has to be this way as the population gets larger and the cities are more crowded.
Gotta restrict people to allow them to live so close together.
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Old 04-04-2008, 07:27 PM   #22
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Man, I never thought about it that way! It's true, ain't it? In a way, that kinda makes me feel better that I got in just in time to experience alot less restrictions in my youth than the youth of today!

Sucks for our kids, though....
N what about their kids??? n their kids?
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N what about their kids??? n their kids?
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Exactly.


You young folks better think about who you vote for.

A little hint, the liberals tend to be for more resrictions and more government.

Unfortunately the so called conservatives are little better.
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All this talk about parents not doing their jobs misses one point. They are doing their jobs. And that is the problem. They are doing is the wrong one. The days of one parent working and one staying home raising the children are mostly gone. Both parents are now working jobs to bring in enough income to afford their misplaced materialistic priorities AND pay for day care. Since the parents are largely removed from the child raising process it is natural for them to blame someone else when something goes wrong. If you pay a mechanic to fix your car and it breaks you blame the mechanic.

It is a sad truth that the cost of living has gone up and on top of that people feel a need to have two blingin cars in the driveway, a 52 inch flat screen in the living room, as well as flat screens in each bedroom, eat take out 6 nights a week, and must go out with their friends on the weekends. This is a priority over having average, paid for cars and leaving one parent at home to cook, clean, help the children with homework, and be there to discipline the kids when something goes wrong. Even if the schools and day care companies WANTED to teach proper discipline there is no way they can do the jobs that parents are not doing for fear of legal repercussions.

In the end, nobody is raising the children. But it the high definition, on-demand, movies will be on TV keeping the kids entertained and quiet so the parents can come home, relax, and eat their prepared food.
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All this talk about parents not doing their jobs misses one point. They are doing their jobs. And that is the problem. They are doing is the wrong one. The days of one parent working and one staying home raising the children are mostly gone. Both parents are now working jobs to bring in enough income to afford their misplaced materialistic priorities AND pay for day care. Since the parents are largely removed from the child raising process it is natural for them to blame someone else when something goes wrong. If you pay a mechanic to fix your car and it breaks you blame the mechanic.

It is a sad truth that the cost of living has gone up and on top of that people feel a need to have two blingin cars in the driveway, a 52 inch flat screen in the living room, as well as flat screens in each bedroom, eat take out 6 nights a week, and must go out with their friends on the weekends. This is a priority over having average, paid for cars and leaving one parent at home to cook, clean, help the children with homework, and be there to discipline the kids when something goes wrong. Even if the schools and day care companies WANTED to teach proper discipline there is no way they can do the jobs that parents are not doing for fear of legal repercussions.

In the end, nobody is raising the children. But it the high definition, on-demand, movies will be on TV keeping the kids entertained and quiet so the parents can come home, relax, and eat their prepared food.


Sorry man but I gotta call Bullshit.

Sure both my wife and I work.

yeah we got TV and 2 cars and a nice house.

And my daughter makes straight A's, we go to all her school functions, she has been raised in a house with loving discipline. She is a good kid that volunteers at church. She is a leader in her marching band and is involved in many things.
So are her mom and I. But you will not find a better more polite and well behaved young LADY anywhere.
I don't know if you have kids but I suspect not. Before you start pontificating about parenting you should get your facts straight.
Oh, by the way it aint just us. All her friends are the same way.
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Sorry man but I gotta call Bullshit.

Sure both my wife and I work.

yeah we got TV and 2 cars and a nice house.

And my daughter makes straight A's, we go to all her school functions, she has been raised in a house with loving discipline. She is a good kid that volunteers at church. She is a leader in her marching band and is involved in many things.
So are her mom and I. But you will not find a better more polite and well behaved young LADY anywhere.
I don't know if you have kids but I suspect not. Before you start pontificating about parenting you should get your facts straight.
Oh, by the way it aint just us. All her friends are the same way.
And I call your situation the exception, not the rule. I'm talking about America as a whole. How is the country doing over all with debt? Why is that?
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I say my situation is NOT the exception.

Come to our neighborhood, come to my daughters High School.
You will see that MOST kids and most parents are doing fine. It's the dang media that makes everything seem so bad.
As far as debt, sure people are materialistic and stupid. But that doesn't mean they are bad parents or their kids are bad kids.


Now what about MY question? Are you a parent?
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No, I am not a parent. I am single with no dependents. I have no credit card debt and my car is paid for. I am also a home owner.

Cost of living in Texas and in the Houston area is incredibly low. I'm not referring to just your neighborhood.
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Well, I'm proud of you for your financial responsibility. Having everything paid for is NOT the same as being a good parent.
When/if you have children I'm sure you will do a great job.

You should, however, refrain from commenting on how we parents are doing. If you reread your first post you will see how you make some sweeping generalizations about what is happening in our homes.

I say you are mistaken. I think MOST parents are doing a fine job.


If you don't believe me, ask the other MHer's on here what their circumstances are. Ask them how their kids are doing.
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And I say that too many people got caught up in the housing boom a couple years ago and they did it too late with too little. As a result, they assumed way too much debt and are now over tea kettle in debt/foreclosure. Texas has some of the strongest housing markets in the country, I'm sure many MHers are doing great.

Right now I get very little for a housing allowance and it covers my mortgage on a house that is much larger than I need but I bought it for location. It's two blocks from a brand new elementary school and on a cul-de-sac.

When I transfer this summer my housing allowance will increase about 80%. With that I'll be able to afford a place about 40% the size of what I am living in now.

The Houston economy is strong, the rest of the nation.. not so much.

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I might have kids one day. Once I decide to get married and stop being a kid myself.
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I guess what I don't get is what the heck all that has to do with raising kids. Being in debt is not the same as being a bad parent.
I suppose you are saying that being in debt is why both parents usually work, but 2 parents working is not always bad. We, and most others I know, made a concious decision to both work.
Raising a family in a decent area is expensive even in the Houston market.

Have fun telling your wife some day to give up her career and stay home all day while you struggle to pay the bills on one income. Sure it can be done but it aint much of a life.
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I guess what I don't get is what the heck all that has to do with raising kids. Being in debt is not the same as being a bad parent.
I suppose you are saying that being in debt is why both parents usually work, but 2 parents working is not always bad. We, and most others I know, made a concious decision to both work.
Raising a family in a decent area is expensive even in the Houston market.

Have fun telling your wife some day to give up her career and stay home all day while you struggle to pay the bills on one income. Sure it can be done but it aint much of a life.

no, i'm all about being Mr. Mom. I'm a better cook than most people I know and I'm more meticulous with the laundry. I just need to find a woman with a load of money to support my hobbies....

I say all this because I get subordinates from all over the country and I hear their stories. At my rank it is partially my job to help them sort out their lives and take care of issues beyond the workplace.

Yes, I do equate poor parenting with too much debt. I think a responsible parent is something no dollar figure can be put on. I know of too many people where IF each parent only has one job they are doing well. In many cases the parents hardly see each other because one, or both, is working two jobs to make ends meet. Myself and a lot of others on here is seems were raised with respect and firm discipline by a parent who was there to make sure of it. Well behaved children are less an less common. Materialism is a huge issue as well as a sense of entitlement. To me it looks like an ugly snow ball that is rolling fast and feeding itself.
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Just don't want to get into it. Bumblebee makes good points, too, but in some of his replies, he proves your point!
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Yea! I got a paddled at school once! Didn't hurt near as bad as the one when I got home! And to this very day I know if I were to sass my Mom she would bust my lip!
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Yea! I got a paddled at school once! Didn't hurt near as bad as the one when I got home! And to this very day I know if I were to sass my Mom she would bust my lip!

The only difference for me is that my Mom wouldn't have a chance to. My Dad would beat her to it if I disrespected my Mom in any way! It was clear that Mom got one thing, respect!
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