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Old 04-04-2008, 11:41 AM   #41
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Old 04-04-2008, 06:07 PM   #42
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I hope those cameras stay in that city and dont come down to Houston... lots of Houstonian riders would be having warrants in the mail...
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Old 04-04-2008, 06:33 PM   #43
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I'd agree. The sooner you accept the gov't wins, the easier life will be. Just give up. Why fight it? You will lose.
I passed up a couple of your quotes earlier in the thread but I can't let it go. This one sends shivers down my spine.

This is the most dangerous attitude you could possibly have.

"Why should I have anything to worry about if I am not doing anything wrong?"

Because those who seek to control you (take away liberties and freedoms) are laying the groundwork right now. Red light cameras or speeding cameras are incrementalism. If not recognized for what it is, incrementalism can leave you wondering what happened after it is too late.

Sorry for ruining your sleep and stealing your warm-fuzzies but you should do a little thinking for yourself.

Since this reply is bordering on off topic, I will leave it at that.

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If he didn't have a license plate and the camera's were not on... how'd they know who to file an arrest warrant against????
^YA. And they'll catch speeders up to 200 mph? Now people will be aiming for that. lol
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Old 04-05-2008, 11:00 AM   #45
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"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

That is an awesome quote. Tiller1k I could not agree with you more. Our society is freaking me out. We are giving up liberties time and tiem again and not reealizing what we are doing.

Someone said the worse we get the worse the government gets.

WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE GOVERNMENT. THE PEOPLE!!!!

We are getting away from what made this country what it is because people are scared!!! - That scares me.
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You have your opinion and its respected, but the reality begs to differ. I'm too busy making a living raising my son to worry about traffic cameras know what I mean.
No offense, but it's that attitude that get's where we are at as a country right now. I'm busy making a living and providing for my wife and my 2 daughters, one who has special needs/expenses nonetheless, but it still concerns me. It's not the traffic cameras themselves, it's what they represent and the direction that this whole matter is going. Call me a loon, call me crazy, call me whatever you will, but it's obvious how gradualism works and if you're too busy to fight over a traffic camera then someday you'll probably also be too busy to fight over a house camera as well.
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Old 04-05-2008, 12:11 PM   #49
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You have your opinion and its respected, but the reality begs to differ. I'm too busy making a living raising my son to worry about traffic cameras know what I mean.
I respect your commitment to being a productive member of society and a good parent. Unfortunately, all of the time you are dedicating to earning a living may have been avoided had We The People stood up to confiscatory (stealing) tax policies as they were slowly brought upon us through incrementalism. We work more and bring home less. As a result, our children are left in day care and schools to be indoctrinated by others who may not share our convictions and beliefs. It is a rare thing to see a single wage earner in the household anymore.

Red light cameras, taxes and other abominations are stomached by the population because we are told it is for safety and the greater good. Slowly but surely, we edge closer to the Socialist/Communist abyss where our lives, money and thoughts belong to those who seek to control us. They tell us that they know better than we do. We start to believe them because it is easier than resisting.

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Old 04-05-2008, 12:29 PM   #51
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unfortunately it is part of what makes this country so great. "FREEDOM"
the more free we aim to be the more problems arise. only small towns with nothing to do could pull something like that off ne way
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Old 04-05-2008, 12:39 PM   #52
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It's kind of like prison. They have ridiculous rules that you have to abide by because without those rules, there would be chaos. And considering the free world reminds me of prison at times, I gladly forgive of some of my rights to have as a whole a better and peaceful law abiding community.
That, my friend, is sad. I don't know what prison is like and hope I don't ever have to find out, but to compare our society to prison proves the point that is being made by myself and others. It is the exact opposite of what this country stands for and I pray to every day that we do not end up completely like the statement you just made.

Here is an excerpt from the Declaration of Independence...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.
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I am with txferrari, too tired and too broke, just accept it and move on. I love the good old days when times are simple. There are good changes and bad, can't have it all.
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Too tired to pick up a phone? Too tired to send an email? The people doing this still want to get reelected.

Come on. These things take no time and nearly no money at all. It doesn't take much energy to keep yourself abreast of what is happening in this country.

Resistance doesn't require shooting...yet.
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Too tired to pick up a phone? Too tired to send an email? The people doing this still want to get reelected.

Come on. These things take no time and nearly no money at all. It doesn't take much energy to keep yourself abreast of what is happening in this country.

Resistance doesn't require shooting...yet.

We all did our part in votings but got we lost it to the majority.
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Old 04-05-2008, 02:11 PM   #58
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Red light cameras are B.S. --- they take a pic of the the rear plate of your vehicle---if i ever get one---i will demand that they prove that " I " was the one driving that vehicle at the time and they will not be able to---Sooo DISMISSED!!! And if this guy was smart---since they didnt actually pull him over at the time that he supposedly did it---then i would fight it the same way---" prove that that was "me" on that bike at that time"---and they seriously wont be able to!!!
dude,think. they don't have to prove it's you. plan on stealing car/bikes??? if not,whoever the car is registered to will get the ticket. then if that person is cool with that,then i guess you are scott free.

as far as the guy on the bike,it's not hard to have a camera with the time/date with your dumb on the bike. probably had no helmet too.
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